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Basketball Rules Question

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by rimrocker, Oct 6, 2003.

  1. rimrocker

    rimrocker Member

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    I've never gotten a satisfactory answer to this question:

    There's a last second heave downcourt. The ball hits at the free throw line and bounces into the goal. Does the shot count?
     
  2. meggoleggo

    meggoleggo Member

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    I dont think it does, because the orignal arc of the ball completely misses the basket. Once the ball hits the ground, someone else would have to handle it and cause it to go into the goal.

    But then I'm not a total expert either.
     
  3. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet
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    I think you can bounce the ball into the basket. No one would try because it is rediculously hard, but if it happened on a fluke, there is no reason it wouldn't count.
     
  4. DaDakota

    DaDakota Arrest all Pedophiles
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    If the clock has run out BEFORE the ball hits the floor game is over...

    In fact if the clock runs out before the ball goes in the net after it hits the floor...game over.

    DD
     
  5. A-Train

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    Damn, you'd have to have either a ball made of Flubber or play on the moon for that scenario to happen.

    The basket wouldn't count, anyways. It's just like shooting an airball...
     
  6. Kam

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    What if somebody was trying to do a bounce pass alley oop, but it accidently goes in.

    Would they credit that as two points?
     
  7. AntiSonic

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    How about when a player screws up and scores a basket for the other team (like after tipoff, breaking the wrong way or accidentally tipping in a rebound). Is the player credited the basket under the other team's stats?
     
  8. Yao Wink

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    The player on the other team that is closest to the basket gets credit for the mistake of the player scoring in the wrong basket.
     
  9. AntiSonic

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    Not if the clock is at zero when the ball hits the floor.


    Yup.
     
  11. Yao Wink

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    http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_4.html?nav=ArticleList

    Section XI-Field Goal Attempt
    A field goal attempt is a player's attempt to shoot the ball into his basket for a field goal. The act of shooting starts when, in the official's judgment, the player has started his shooting motion and continues until the shooting motion ceases and he returns to a normal floor position. It is not essential that the ball leave the shooter's hand. His arm(s) might be held so that he cannot actually make an attempt. The term is also used to include the flight of the ball until it becomes dead or is touched by a player. A tap during a jump ball or rebound is not considered a field goal attempt. However, anytime a live ball is in flight from the playing court, the goal, if made, shall count, even if time expires or the official's whistle sounds. The field goal will not be scored if time on the game clock expires before the ball leaves the player's hand.

    Now all that needs to be determined is if the ball is still in flight after bouncing near the free throw line and then going into the basket.

    http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_5.html?nav=ArticleList

    Section I-Scoring
    a. A legal field goal or free throw attempt shall be scored when a live ball from the playing area enters the basket from above and remains in or passes through the net.


    The shot bouncing off of the court qualifies this criteria.

    c. A successful field goal attempt from the area outside the three-point field goal line shall count three points.

    The attempt happened from beyond the 3 point line, so I will conclude that the basket will be counted as 3 points as long as time did not expire before or during the flight of the shot attempt.
     
  12. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    That's the problem though. This "shot" of rimrocker's does not originate from the playing court. Note that the CLOCK starts when the ball touches an inbounds player. In rimrocker's scenario, the clock never starts and the ball is never officially in play. That's my opinion.
     
  13. JuanValdez

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    I assumed he meant that the ball is inbounded and then heaved down-court. If the ball was inbounded and went into the basket without anyone else ever touching it then of course it doesn't count, regardless of the time.

    My feeling is that if an inbounds player chucked it, time expired, the ball bounced, and then went in the basket (the scenario as I understand it), it would count.
     
  14. RC Cola

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    Would it still be a live ball or would there be a stoppage of play, and if so, would the other team get it?

    I don't know if you know the answer, I was just asking it since you seemed to give a good explanation to the orginal. Plus, like J Lo and Affleck's relationship, I really don't care...though, I did the ask the question, so um...maybe I do?:confused:
     
  15. rimrocker

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    Yes, that's what I meant... or rebounded or stolen.
     
  16. A-Train

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    If you shoot a shot and it doesn't go in, then it doesn't count...really not that difficult to understand. It doesn't matter if it bounces off the floor and goes in...When the ball hits the ground after the shot, it's no longer in flight...
     
  17. francis 4 prez

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    hmmm, it says if it's in flight from the playing court. so if it touches the court is that then considered essentially starting the flight over and thus there can't be 0 seconds left when it touches or is the "as long as time doesn't expire before it leaves the players hand" comment all that matters.

    i've always assumed it would be good, and that rule seems to back it up as it makes no mention of the touching of the court as constituting essentially a new shot. the weird thing is it counting as 3 points even if it bounced inside. although i guess if it counted as 2, that would be like saying it's a new shot and thus time would have to still be going at the bounce which it doesn't say so it must count as 3. hmmmm.
     
  18. Two Sandwiches

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    Interesting enough, this same scenario happened in a game of 'Live (I think it was '99), me against my brother.
     
  19. giddyup

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    I would think it counts if it is in the air and headed into the basket before the buzzer goes off -- just like a deliberate shot-- no matter how it is launched.

    Haven't baskets been made inadvertently by balls bouncing off heads or shoulders in rebound scuffles?

    As long as it's not kicked, i don't think it matters how it gets launched whether intentional or not.
     
  20. Kam

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    I remember this one time Popeye Jones was in a tip-off with somebody with a few tenths or so of a second left. I remember him at the tip off tip the ball in, and it counted.
     

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