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Houston, We just lost our 3rd star.

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Madclownpacasum, Jul 14, 2014.

  1. candlegreen

    candlegreen Contributing Member

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    This isn't baseball. There are salary cap concerns. Sure, you can go over signing Parsons, but that leaves you no room to sign anyone else in the near future. I'd hardly call Les cheap when he was going to absorb Parson's contract if we signed Bosh. That would be some crazy luxury tax matching there if Bosh signed. Not sure why I really bothered here but maybe, just maybe, the numbers would make sense somehow.
     
  2. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Triple fail crown!

    1. Wrong forum.
    2. Topic already exists in 12 or more threads.
    3. Bad take, or at least stale. OP repeats content of hundreds of other posts.

    if only you were a horse, I would bet on you.
     
  3. MD_in_Training

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    Not a top 30 player. I can easily find 1 player on every team better than Parsons and the top 10 teams have 2-3 players better than Parsons. Top 50 would be appropriate, but that doesn't put him at 15 mil/yr.
     
  4. slothy420

    slothy420 Paper Street Soap Co.

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    Can we not pretend that Morey let Parsons become a RFA out of "loyalty" or "treating him like a person vs asset"... Morey made that move so he wouldn't have to risk losing parsons as an UFA next season; it was totally a business move and nothing more. Morey gambled and lost.

    Apparently Fagan designed the Dallas contract to make it as difficult as possible for Houston to match. When Parsons signed it, it was pretty much a "screw you" to Morey/Les (and by extension all rockets fans).

    The thing that may hurt the most is that he went to Dallas of all places. Man, I hate Cuban-douche
     
  5. Smook

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    Give me your address
     
  6. rezdawg

    rezdawg Contributing Member

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    No way he's a top 30-40 player...absolutely not even close.

    I love Parsons and he's a solid role player...but that's it. If every team's best player is better than Parsons, then that's already 30 players on the list.

    PER isnt everything at all...but he had a 15.90...which means he's "a little above average".
     
  7. benchmoochie

    benchmoochie Contributing Member

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    Lock this Debbie downer thread.
     
  8. rwienert

    rwienert Contributing Member

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    Not really. If Chandler Parsons is your second best player, well....you're just not going to be very good.

    At less than a million/year, he was one of the best deals in basketball, and that makes a huge impact in a league where you need max level stars to win and you try to find cheap quality talent to surround them. If you're paying a guy like him $15 million/year, then the value is totally removed. He's a quality player, but not really a difference maker.

    If you look at Ariza's numbers last year with Washington, they're not all that different and Ariza wasn't even the third option on that team. With more shots, he'd probably match Parson's scoring average. Given that and the fact that he shot the 3 better and is regarded as a better defender, yet he's willing to play for half of what Parsons is making, the Rockets are in pretty good shape.

    The Rockets never had their third star. At least now, they still have the possibility of adding one in the next three years.
     
  9. Moleb

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    have you forgotten he landed us Harden and Howard out of no where?
     
  10. JayZ750

    JayZ750 Contributing Member

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    What exactly do you think a GM should be doing, short of having all-star players pick them? Speculating is the name of the game. Being in a position to speculate at all is half the battle and that's what DM does really well.

    As a pure speculator... he's hit or miss like everyone else who is forced to speculate on the non-sure-fire guys.

    But let's not pretend like Goran Dragic is winning championships. Had a fantastic year... still not even an all-star year.

    There are LOT of all-star or near-all-star level players in the NBA in a given year. DM was trying to obtain 3 sure fire all-stars year in and year out... or if the third guy is not an all-star, it's because they thing he might do really really well is the perfect fit for our system. Bosh might not have made the all-star squad in the West, but he sure would have performed like one as third fiddle on this squad, especially defensively.
     
  11. thesonofsam

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    We have 2 guys making max money. How is that cheap? Oh right, he wont go crazy over the cap and pay a ton in luxury tax so he is cheap. I see.
     
  12. westcoastin

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    Thank you so very much for making those corrections. I am sure nobody understood what the OP meant before, but thanks to you, it all makes sense now!
     
  13. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard

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    The problem is not Les... it's the entire collective bargaining agreement... owners that want to spend can't...
     
  14. Rox11

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    One he isn't a star, two he's overpaid, 3 stfu
     
  15. treeman

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    Would neg rep OP if I could.

    OP, go have a beer and stop freaking out about it. Parsons is not worth the max and is never going to be worth the max, and we still have two guys on our roster who *are* worth the max. And now we have room to maneuver.

    Your freaking out about us not being able to repeat a first round exit with the same roster as last season is not persuasive.
     
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  16. Buck Turgidson

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    Toss in "horrible user name" and bet the superfecta box.
     
  17. houactuar

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    Kawi Leonard. NBA Finals MVP. or Chandler Parsons Spotts Park MVP.

    Yeah I would take Kawhi right now, but not Parsons.
     
  18. houactuar

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    Would you pay the sticker price of a mercedes to buy a yugo? If not you must be cheap. That is the logic of people criticizing Les. He wasn't willing to pay mercedes price for parsons because he is not a mercedes. He would have paid value for Melo or Bosh (and frankly I think they are overvalued too).
     
  19. youngshev03

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    Parsons is not a star. Doesn't change the fact that this was a terrible offseason though.
     
  20. fishman5861

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    Fagan didn't screw the Rockets

    Fagan added a clause to make it difficult to trade Parsons. You have to match all terms of the contract. Fagan wanted to make it difficult for either Dallas or Houston to trade Parsons -- even if he sucked. As if the 15 million/year was not enough, he added the trade kicker. He didn't do it to screw Houston, he did it to make sure that his client wasn't signed and then discarded next year. He protected his client like he is supposed to do (and earned his 6% of the contract at the same time).

    Morey likes to protect himself in the event he makes a mistake. That is the difference between him and bad gm's. If he screws up, he fixes it. No keeping a mistake and trying to convince everyone that he is perfect. That is what he did the first time he had Ariza, and it is what he just did with Lin.

    Parsons was really good, but can he jump to the next level or even the level above that. At 15 million, he better. Morey clearly was not convinced. Parsons could not get to Lillard. Maybe Ariza can next time.
     

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