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Whatever Happened to Common Courtesy?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by mrpaige, Jun 7, 2003.

  1. mrpaige

    mrpaige Member

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    So, I decide to go looking for an internship for this summer (this was some time ago when one would start looking for summer internships) because I really didn't have that much going on, and I though it would be interesting to actually have to go to work and stuff.

    I send out a very well crafted letter to a few potential internship targets, one of which writes back telling me that they loved my letter and wanted very desperately to see my "portfolio". So, I send my portfolio. And then?

    Nothing. Not one word. I made a few follow-up inquiries after an acceptable amount of time had passed, but I received absolutely no response to those, either.

    Now, I can tell that they obviously didn't think too much of my portfolio. If they had, I'm sure they'd have had me in for an interview or whatever. But is it really all that difficult to shoot me an email or a form letter saying "Thanks, but no thanks"?

    Why the disappearing act? There was no reason for it. It's just rude. I don't think they'd appreciate my ignoring them if they had made an offer of some sort.

    And that got me to thinking how it really is rare to actually receive any sort of acknowledgement from companies when I submit my resume and whatnot. I've applied for many positions throughout the years, and more often than not, I never receive any kind of response from those companies.

    And the times I do get called in for an interview, I almost never receive a call or letter letting me know I didn't get the job once they make that decision.

    Personally, I just find that rude.

    But maybe it's just me.
     
  2. mateo

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    Its not just you. Companies are less likely to hire people these days so their hiring practices are becoming a bit irrational. I blame corporate consulants, testing specialists, and consultants for a lot of this crap. I read an article in either Newsweek or the Chronicle last week about the different types of questions that are being presented to potential employees.

    For instance, one engineering company asked people to "describe November". If you said something about Thanksgiving, or autumn leaves, or football, or the beginning of ski season.....well, BYE. Interview over. However if you said that November is the 30 day interval that precedes the winter solstice by 20 days, then bingo....you're the analytic mind they want.

    God forbid you are an amazing engineer with a soft spot for the changing colors of autumn.

    But its ok, you can now take courses with career counsellors to know what kind of b.s. persona you can create when interviewing. All hail groupthink.
     
  3. mrpaige

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    Of course, I've had these same problems since I graduated college the first time back in 1992, even during the boom times. But yeah, I imagine it's worse right now.



    It is funny how there are certain questions that all interviewers seem to ask and how they expect a certain answer. The interview is often not about getting to know the candidate, it's about knowing the "right" answers to the questions. I always found that weird (as it's been like that for as long as I've been interviewing).

    I just wish I could get interviews. Usually, I can't even get in the door (and again, that goes back to 1992 and includes the "boom times").
     
  4. MadMax

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    During law school I decided to take an interview for a corporate counsel position with an energy company. I won't name who...no need to. But I came in and interviewed...the interview went very well. I received a call for a second one. Went back. Second interview went better...much more substantive talk...and a feeling I was being wooed.

    Then it all just stopped. My understanding is the company decided to downsize the department and freeze hiring. I didn't get so much as a letter or a returned phone call...nothing....from the people I sat across from over two interviews. Still to this day...nothing.

    Ultimately, I'm glad things worked out as they did...but my sister-in-law is a human resources/personnel person at a large company and she groans everytime she hears that story. Common courtesy is a good thing.
     
  5. RunninRaven

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    Hell, I was hired by a company earlier this month, and after working for 3 days (during which it was obvious they didn't have much for me to do), they decided that after reevaluating their situation, they really didn't need me after all. Since it was a temp to hire position through a staffing company, I got nothing but 2 1/2 days pay and a kick in the ass. I have never been more pissed off (well, maybe after Stockton's three).
     
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    THAT IS WHY I WOULD NEVER TAKE A JOB TEMP TO HIRE. I HAVE HEARD WAY TOO MANY OF THESE STORIES.
     
  7. TraJ

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    My wife worked in Human Resources for awhile. She didn't have time to breathe, much less respond to every resume. It could just be that something has to give, and that's it--no responses unless they're interested.
     
  8. RunninRaven

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    Errrr...nevermind, I had you confused with another poster.
     
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    I don't work in HR but when I needed an accounting assistant last year I did it on my own (didn't go thru HR). Anyways I ran an ad in the local paper, posted an ad at Ohio State for undergrad/grad students, and at another university. Job was 20 hrs wk/$12-15/hour and I could not believe the response I got, over 200 resumes! Took me a solid day to sort thru them all, select the 6 to interview. Needless to say it opened my eyes to how many people wanted work (I had fellow CPAs interested in the position for that rate).
    Needless to say I found the perfect candidate and I did phone everyone I interview, but I will tell you I did not have time to respond to all 200 resumes.
    But I oudl tell you after an interview I would expect a call, letter, or e-mail jsut to let me know. Sounds pretty bad for those of you who can't get a response.
     
  10. mrpaige

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    Well, then I hope their clients do the same to them. I can imagine how much this company would like it if they pitched an account and then the potential client was just too busy to let them know they went with someone else.

    Of course, in this particular firm, you'd think they'd have plenty of time to contact people since they've lost so many clients recently.

    The thing about this one that got me specifically was that I had FIVE different contacts with the woman prior to sending my portfolio.

    I first inquired about their internship program. She said they didn't have one officially, but that she and others were trying to get it started again. If they started it back up, they'd let me know. She praised the package I sent originally, etc.

    A little while later, she send an email telling me they had approved the internship program and that she wanted me to send her my portfolio. I was out of town at the time and could not repond to the email.

    By the time I got back, she had emailed again basically saying the same thing. Send my portfolio as soon as possible.

    I wrote back saying I would. She wrote back giving me a deadline as to when they'd like to receive the portfolio, etc.

    Once I send the portfolio, I email her and let her know I sent it. She reponds that she's looking forward to seeing it.

    It was at that point that I never heard from her again. So, she had plenty of time to talk to me before she saw my portfolio. Now I can't even get a response at all. Not even a simple "Not interested" (And personally, I'd have a stock rejection email ready to go. It would take a matter of seconds to let me know something).

    Add to this that portfolios are meant to be returned to the applicant. Most applicants don't have the money to spend to put together a full-color portfolio for each and every company they apply to. But if I want mine back? Too bad. They can't be bothered. I guess if I want it back, I have to drive over there and make a scene.

    Oh, and I have been on the other side of the situation. Whenever I post a casting notice, I get slammed with hundreds of headshots, yet I manage to get back to every single person who submits, even those who I have no use for. If I can do it, anybody can.
     
  11. drapg

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    At least you haven't been on the receiving end of these 2 beauties:

    1. several REJECTION letters sent certified. Of course I'm not home and get a note to pick up a letter at the post office from a company. The whole time I'm thinking it's an offer for a job with valuable info. Instead its a one sheet rejection letter.
    This has happened several times in the past year to me. I want to kill the company's who use this practice.

    2. Receiving an e-mail back after e-mailing your resume to an HR person at a company. The received e-mail says "How about you try applying for a job you're qualified for and stop wasting our time?"
    I **** you not, I've gotten a few of these.

    Hiring practices are totally ****ed up. I hate everyone.
     

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