Have you seen the documentary "End of the Century"? Definitely check it out if not. Also definitely check out this - should be right up your alley. I can't recommend it enough.
--> Electronic/Dance -------> Drum & Bass -------------> Liquid Funk On steady rotation in my player for the past month: Calibre - Even If <object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/_axmJ103vfQ?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/_axmJ103vfQ?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object> The singing kind of reminds me of Thom Yorke.
Other than the addition of polyphony through the introduction of the organum, I find the early 10th century Gregorian chants to be far superior to the later 13th century stuff. I don't believe for a second the bull**** that Pope Gregory the Great invented this stuff himself. It is an obvious synthesis of Roman and Gallican chants with a decidely Carolingian influence.
most of the major post rock bands are instrumental, so yes, one can argue that would be one of the qualifiers. but there are several other criteria which you conveniently ignore. i dont need no post rock class - i was actually there when it started. hate to break it to you, but post rock didnt start with the soundtrack for friday night lights.
your homework assignment for today: listen to these artists... Junuis, There Will Be Fireworks, Rosetta, Moving Mountains, The Calm Blue Sea, Sigur Ros, Envy, Stubborn Tiny Lights and Gregor Samsa. then present your argument for 'qualifiers'. k. thanks.
not a fan of sigur ros and i know the calm blue sea, but ive never heard of any of those other bands and i dont really care to. but none of that has anything to do w/ the fact that you are clueless wrt the very roots of your favorite musical genre. to be a post-rocker who is not be familiar w/ the first couple tortoise records is like being a punk-rocker who never listened to the ramones first record or nevermind the bollocks. i think it is you have have some homework to do junior. we have already discussed what some of the 'qualifiers' are for post-rock. ill just repost what i already said...
Early psychedelic rock. While some might argue about a couple being considered psychedelic, I include bands like The 13th Floor Elevators, Bubble Puppy, The Jefferson Airplane, The Charlatans, Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band, Velvet Underground, Mothers of Invention, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Country Joe and the Fish, Mother Earth, Blue Cheer, The Doors, Moby Grape, The Movin' Sidewalks, The Jimi Hendrix Experience. Many more I'm forgetting at the moment and will kick myself for later. I saw them all, most several times, and almost never paid more than $5 bucks, usually less.
I love this....until the singer starts singing. Or croaking, in this case. So many black metal bands are completely amazing, but I just can't get past the vocals. I really love metal/hard rock and classical, but I love many, many kinds of music. The first thing that popped into my head when I read "sub genre" was Hank III. Gimme that grimy redneck rock. Love that stuff. <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Y-qdQ2AI2H0?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Y-qdQ2AI2H0?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>
funny how you pick one sentence that was describing tortoise from one of the 5 or 6 articles i posted and run with it like this while conveniently ignoring everything else including my own definition of what post-rock is. here are some of the bigger post-rock groups and they are all instrumental - most of these were on the list you made. like i said, it isnt the only qualifier and nobody ever said it was - you are just being silly. explosions in the sky mono mogwai tortoise godspeed you black emperor my education balmorhea hotel hotel you cant claim to be a post-rocker and not be aware of the foundations of the genre. i know you were a late arrival - like i said, post rock didnt start with the friday nights soundtrack - there is a whole other world out there so open your ears and listen without prejudice. you dont have to like tortoise, but you need to recognize the forefathers of your favorite musical genre. to go around claiming that they are not post-rock when the are universally recognized as the godfathers of the genre is incredibly narrow-minded.
I could go on forever.... but I mostly listen to black-metal which I guess is a sub-genre of metal, but there are sub genres of black metal (sort of) 1st wave - 1980's version - very much influenced by kiss - a tad tongue-in-cheek - celtic frost, balthory, venom (the tortoise of black metal, if you will) 2nd wave - early 1990's - bunch of dungeons and dragons fanatics who took the satanic imagery of the 1st wave a little too seriously - poor sound quality was also a trademark of their sound - members of key bands sought a return to viking culture and the destruction of all aspects of christianity. known to desecrate graves, burn down churches and murder each other - another key component is racism and national socialist/aryan tendencies. mayhem, burzum, darkthrone, satyricon wagnerian - heavy use of keyboards and grandiose arrangements - emperor, immortal drone/ambient - often lacking any kind of musical structure, this sub-sub genre was an attempt to recreate the sounds of hell and torture - abruptum - euronymous, guitar player from mayhem described them as "the audio essence of pure black evil" - the band was known to beat each other with whips and chains while they were recoding in order to capture the true sound of torture. post-black metal - moving beyond the confines of black metal and incorporating things from renaissance fair-style acoustic breakdowns to pink floydian atmospherics - OPETH pagan folk - nature-loving, heavy on acoustic and ambient textures. this sub-sub genre has gained popularity in the wooded pacific northwest. 3rd wave - american black metal - not much for the imagery and corpse paint, these bands are truly carrying the torch of evil, playing a very brutal and scary version - liturgy, wolves in the throne room black rainbow - gay black metal - gorgoroth - lead singer gaahl came out of the closet a few years back - despite being a flamer, gaahl is the epitome of what black-metal is all about - he hates christianity - he lives alone in the mountains - he has been to prison twice for brutally attacking people who have made homophobic comments towards him including one man who he tied up and cut w/ razor blades for 15 hours. here is a video of their live show - sheep heads on stakes, nude people on crosses - it doesnt get any more evil than this! NSFW!!! <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/qgdmrSxDN_4?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/qgdmrSxDN_4?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>
dude, the line read...'they were post-rock because they didn't have a singer' vocals/lyrics has never been a qualifier or disqualifier in post-rock. ever. I'm not a 'post-rocker' I don't even know wth that is. Balmorhea and Hotel Hotel are not post rock either. sheez. Hotel Hotel is drone, Balmorhea is neo-classical. I know you want to believe I started getting into postrock when that show came out, and that's cool if you do. but, I've never seen that show. not once, and I don't care for explosions in the sky. I heard GY!BE and Mogwai in 2001-2002, and I have admitted that I didn't care for it at first. When I heard Sigur Ros and Mono in 2003, I really started getting into the genre and it's early roots(MBV, Slint, Tortoise!). When This Will Destroy You's demo was released is pretty much when I went bonkers. that doesn't mean I don't know who Tortoise was or is. It just means we disagree on what they were/are.
again, you pick one line out of one of the 5 or 6 articles i posted and run with it while ignoring everything else including my own description of post-rock. never said it was, but the fact is that most of the key bands are instrumental so its silly to pretend like its got nothing to do with it. you said "i mostly listen to post-rock". that makes you a post-rocker in my book. in your initial post you said drone and neo-classical are sub-genres of post rock. therefore, by your own standards, they are post-rock. really? http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5516977&postcount=3278 to claim tortoise is not post rock puts you in disagreement w/ not just me, but pretty much everyone who has listened to or written about the band.
jo mama and Landlord, What is it with the two of you going on and on and on about post-rock and Tortoise?? I really like and respect both of you dudes' and what you like to listen to but damn, this constant pissing match that the two of you have just needs to die. I could get into it with the thread starter on why I think the Ramones aren't really a power pop group (I can see why he would say it but I think it is really stretching it) and if he came back to argue with me, we could have this constant thing going but it is stupid and would only make me and him look stupid...so what is the point?
