Exactly as we anticipated?

basso · Jul 17, 2009

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I don't think those words mean what you say Inig'Obama.

basso · Jul 17, 2009

via the Weekly Standard :

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Joe Biden in Virginia yesterday:

"To those who say that our economic decisions 'have not produced jobs, have not produced prosperity, and simply have not worked' I say, take a look around."

Joe Pounder on Virginia today:

A day after the Vice President touted the success of the stimulus in Richmond, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that Virginia lost 22,800 jobs last month and the unemployment rate rose to 7.2 percent.

Northside Storm · Jul 17, 2009

huh

What happened to conservatives using the Dow Jones as an indicator of the country's economic strength vs the status of individual states (that, wow freaking wow, happen to be suffering through a recession right now...SURPRISE)

basso · Jul 17, 2009

Northside Storm said:

huh

What happened to conservatives using the Dow Jones as an indicator of the country's economic strength vs the status of individual states (that, wow freaking wow, happen to be suffering through a recession right now...SURPRISE)
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what does that have to do with Obama lying about what he said the effect of the stimulus would be?

Northside Storm · Jul 17, 2009

basso said:

what does that have to do with Obama lying about what he said the effect of the stimulus would be?
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what does that have to do with Obama not being the ONE WHO KNOWS, PREDICTS AND CONTROLS ALL. jeesh, so the stimulus is off to a slow start; get back to me in two years. or better yet, use your (possibly non-existent?) creative energies and propose a better alternative. I for one think the stimulus was a bad idea, but you're off your rocker if you think it's made things worse...the recession may have been much more uglier.

anyways, before I forget.

And neither should you. I'll give you that you are making some sense in this topic, so if you run off AGAIN...got nothing to say.

Dairy Ashford · Jul 17, 2009

basso said:

Inig'Obama.
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You might want to clarify the relevance of this reference, just to save yourself some trouble.

thadeus · Jul 17, 2009

I am posting in a basso thread!

Rockets2K · Jul 18, 2009

pouhe said:

You might want to clarify the relevance of this reference, just to save yourself some trouble.
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rimrocker · Jul 18, 2009

First, why is Todd Palin standing behind Obama?

Second, every article I read had the stimulus taking effect over two years. here's an article from before the inauguration that mentions the two year period several times.

Obama team considers $850 billion stimulus
Option being considered would rival efforts to fight the Great Depression
The Associated Press
updated 8:38 a.m. PT, Thurs., Dec . 18, 2008

WASHINGTON - Eager to jolt a worsening economy back to life, President-elect Barack Obama's aides are assembling a two-year stimulus package that could cost $850 billion, dwarfing last spring's tax rebates and rivaling drastic government actions to fight the Great Depression in the 1930s.

The emerging plan is blend of new jobs, middle-class tax relief and expanded aid for the poor and the unemployed, congressional officials said Wednesday.

Obama has not settled on a grand total, and the final figure could be smaller. But after consulting with outside economists of all political stripes, his advisers have begun telling Congress the stimulus should be bigger than the $600 billion initially envisioned, the officials said.

Obama is promoting a recovery plan that would feature spending on roads and other infrastructure projects, energy-efficient government buildings, new and renovated schools and environmentally friendly technologies.

There would also be some form of tax relief, according to the Obama team, which is well aware of the political difficulty of pushing such a large package through Congress, even in a time of recession. Any tax cuts would be aimed at middle- and lower-income taxpayers, and aides have said there would be no tax increases for wealthy Americans.

While some economists consulted by Obama's team recommended spending of up to $1 trillion over two years, a more likely figure seems to be $850 billion. There is concern that a package that looks too large could worry financial markets, and the incoming economic team also wants to signal fiscal restraint.

In addition to spending on roads, bridges and similar construction projects, Obama is expected to seek additional funds for numerous programs that experience increased demand when joblessness rises, one Democratic official said.

Among those programs are food vouchers and other nutrition programs, health insurance, unemployment insurance and job training programs.

Obama advisers have been contacting economists from across the political spectrum in search of advice as they assemble a spending plan that would meet Obama's goal of preserving or creating 2.5 million jobs over two years.

Among those whose opinions Obama sought were Lawrence B. Lindsey, a top economic adviser to President George W. Bush during his first term, and Harvard professor Martin Feldstein, an informal John McCain adviser and the chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under President Ronald Reagan.

Feldstein recommended a $400 billion investment in one year, Obama aides said, and Lindsey said the package should be in the range of $800 billion to $1 trillion. The aides revealed the discussions on condition of anonymity because no decisions had been reached.

Obama aides also pointed to recommendations by Mark Zandi, the lead economist at Moody's Economy.com and an informal McCain adviser who has been proposing a $600 billion plan.

"I would err on the side of making it larger than making it smaller," Zandi said in an interview. "The size of the plan depends on the forecast — the economic outlook — and that is darkening by the day."

"Even a trillion is not inconceivable," he said.

Only one outside economist contacted by Obama aides, Harvard's Greg Mankiw, who served on Bush's Council of Economic Advisers, voiced skepticism about the need for an economic stimulus, transition officials said.

The advisers say they agree with economic forecasts that predict that without a government infusion unemployment will rise above 9 percent and not begin to come down until 2011.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Democrat, said Wednesday that Obama has indicated that Congress will get his recovery recommendations by the first of the year.

"He's going to get that to us very quickly and so we would hope within the first 10 days to two weeks that he's in office, that is after Jan. 20, that we could pass the stimulus plan," Reid said. "We want to do it very quickly."

In a letter to Peter Orszag, Obama's choice to be White House budget chief, Reid asked, among other things, that the stimulus package include tax relief for middle-class families, including a reduction in rates and an extension of the child tax credit.

Obama's aides have said they hope to work with Republicans in writing the bill, particularly in the Senate, where the Republican Party could slow action if it chooses. This week, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Democrats were preparing their own recovery bill in the range of $600 billion, blending immediate steps to counter the slumping economy with longer-term federal spending that encompasses Obama's plan.

A stimulus package that approaches $1 trillion could run into significant Republican opposition in Congress. It also could cause heartburn for moderate and conservative Democratic lawmakers who oppose large budget deficits.

"Republicans want to work with the president-elect to help get our economy on the path to recovery, but we have grave reservations about taking $1 trillion from struggling taxpayers and spending it on government programs in the name of economic 'stimulus,'" House Republican leader John Boehner said in a statement.

In February, Congress passed an economic stimulus bill costing $168 billion and featuring $600 tax rebates for most individual taxpayers and tax breaks for businesses.

The upcoming effort would dwarf that earlier measure as well as a $61 billion stimulus bill the House of Representatives passed just before adjourning for the elections. That measure died after a Bush veto threat and Republican opposition in the Senate.

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28278398/
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I remember him pressing to get the bill passed because it takes time to start up projects and I remember a distinct focus on shovel-ready projects to try and shorten that time. I also remember a emphasis on transparancy and accountability.

I also know that a huge amount of stimulus money is going to be spent between now and the end of August in bunch of Fed agencies that I work with on a regular basis.

My guess is that these video clips are missing some context or are rhetorical efforts used to prod Congress along. Obama and the Obama team routinely said 2 years when selling the bill.

I guess if they'd have just said the stimulus will pay for itself and people will welcome us as liberators then he wouldn't be getting this criticism from the wingnuts.

pgabriel · Jul 18, 2009

Damn, it hasn't worked in three months. impeach

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