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Are there no checks and balances anymore??

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rockbox, Feb 28, 2006.

  1. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    If the executive branch does something wrong, who is there to hold him accountable?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060228...4KV8TWs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3OXIzMDMzBHNlYwM3MDM-


    White House Rejects Special Counsel By KATHERINE SHRADER, Associated Press Writer
    Mon Feb 27, 8:58 PM ET



    WASHINGTON - The White House on Monday rejected the call by more than a dozen House Democrats for a special counsel to investigate the Bush administration's eavesdropping program.

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    President Bush's spokesman Scott McClellan said those Democrats should instead spend their time investigating the source of the unauthorized disclosure of the classified program, which "has given the enemy some of our playbook."

    "I really don't think there's any basis for a special counsel," McClellan also said.

    In a letter released Monday, 18 House Democrats told Bush that Attorney General Alberto Gonzales should appoint a special counsel. They said the surveillance of terrorists must be done within the bounds of U.S. law, but complained that their efforts to get answers to legal and factual questions about the program have been stymied — "generally based on the feeblest of excuses."

    "If the effort to prevent vigorous and appropriate investigation succeeds, we fear the inexorable conclusion will be that these executive branch agencies hold themselves above the law and accountable to no one," wrote the lawmakers, led by Rep. Zoe Lofgren (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., a member of the Judiciary and Homeland Security committees.

    The lawmakers initially asked the independent watchdogs at the Justice and Defense departments to open inquiries. Both declined.

    Justice's inspector general Glenn Fine said he lacked authority, and deferred to the department's Office of Professional Responsibility. That office has said it is investigating the conduct of the department's lawyers, but not the program's lawfulness.

    Congress' investigative arm, the General Accountability Office, similarly declined to open a review, noting the administration would be expected to designate the necessary documents as foreign intelligence materials and limit access to them.

    The Democrats see "ample precedent" for a special counsel, citing the Justice Department's appointment of U.S. attorney Patrick Fitzgerald to investigate the leak of the identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame.

    After 22 months of investigation, Fitzgerald indicted the vice president's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, for allegedly lying about his role in the disclosure.

    "Indeed, the allegation of a secret NSA spying program conducting warrantless domestic surveillance of U.S. persons is at least as serious" as the matter Fitzgerald investigated, the Democrats wrote.

    In their six-page letter, the Democrats said the special counsel should investigate any possible violation of federal criminal law, noting that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act says the monitoring of U.S. citizens and residents — without a warrant — is punishable by imprisonment.

    Bush administration officials have argued the program does not fall within that law. They say Bush was exercising his constitutional authority as commander in chief when he allowed the National Security Agency to monitor — without court approval — the international calls and e-mails of people inside the U.S. when one party may be linked to terrorism.

    The administration also maintains the president had the power to order the surveillance under a broad 2001 authorization to use military force in the war on terror.

    The 18 lawmakers also want the special counsel to consider any crimes that may be committed to interfere with the investigation, including perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence and witness intimidation.

    The request harkens back to Libby, who was not indicted specifically for leaking Plame's name, but for an alleged cover-up that included five counts of obstruction of justice, perjury and making false statements to FBI agents.
     
  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    The democrats only need to blame themselves, they need to win more seats in the upcomming elections, let the country know what this is doing to their freedoms.

    DD
     
  3. Rocket River

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    What about US
    we need to do something too
    The democrats cannot be trusted to do anything
    and neither can the republicans. .

    one is too weak
    the other too comfortable with status Quo

    the QUESTION is .. what can WE . . do

    Rocket River
    A HARDLINER INDEPENDENT!
     
  4. SamFisher

    SamFisher Contributing Member

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    Not made easier when the district lines are drawn against them courtesy of the long running Republican initiative called, and I kid you not, "Operation Ratf-ck"
     
  5. Sishir Chang

    Sishir Chang Contributing Member

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    Totally agree this is why one party rule is a bad thing for the country. No accountability when all three branches act in lock step. The solution is divided government.
     
  6. ROXRAN

    ROXRAN Contributing Member

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    The constitution should be the boss of the 3 kings and when contradiction arises, the constitution in itself is the answer.
     
  7. Sishir Chang

    Sishir Chang Contributing Member

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    The Constitution is only as powerful as the government is willing to abide by it. If one branch acts in an Unconstitutional manner and the other branches aren't willing to do anything about it then there isn't anything that can be done besides to vote them out.
     

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