When will Reed be placed into the starting lineup?

I think you read in an “argument” that isn’t there. My argument is merely Coach doesn’t “hate” him. There’s no indication of that.

When I say 4th Q “starter minutes” for the whole season, I merely meant in the 4th Q he got minutes = to a starter.

and yes the last 13 games is meaningful in the sense of ramping him up and thus it isn’t new the Coach likes him enough to give him 32mpg.

 

I don’t think Ime is actively playing Reed less because of some vendetta; I think he’s merely a flawed and stubborn coach.

It’s painfully obvious the offense runs smoother with Reed in the game and how you start the game is important.

 

30mpg over last 19 gms and 32mpg in last 13 indicates he’s actually not as stubborn as you claim. imo.

the problem with the offense is actually more a KD thing

 

They’ve played 84% of the season and last night was the first time he started not due to an injury.

Obviously subjective but I’d argue that constitutes as ‘stubborn’ when he should’ve been starting earlier.

 

I don't think Ime "hates" Reed, I think he's just a terribly incompetent coach who is also incredibly stubborn.

So he completely screwed up the starting lineup and rotations this season because his preference is to play nothing but forwards and simply doesn't want to admit that what he thinks is the superior lineup is really stupid.

 

Sure, it’s “stubborn” about starting. But it’s not stubborn about minutes, which still constitutes his strong desire to develop Reed … and that’s all that really matters wrt Reed’s second year, imo.

I mean, you’re not really allowed to say your way (starting from the beginning) had zero risk to development. Or the idea it accelerates it. When there’s also evidence of the reverse ( which is a known NFL thing), players who feel they’re being held back develop fight and fockass earlier, learn determination, drive earlier, and sieze the opportunity when it arises, such that it never really hampered their career at all. i can’t think of a true star who’s ability to become that true star would have been affected by not starting or not getting 33mpg early.

What’s happening is just fine. and careful ramp up is not “incompetent” as many say.

and it didn’t just start now … only Reed started happened now.

The bashing is silly.

 

I literally never said that he should’ve been starting from the beginning btw.

I don’t think it a huge indictment on Ime he didn’t start Reed beginning of the year. I am notably upset Reeds development was put on the back burner last year. We should have used last year as an extension of the rebuild rather than rushing into trying to compete.

I’d also argue it still is stubborn about his minutes. You keep citing the ramp up in minutes but he’s still at 26mpg for the season and likely won’t crack 30mpg for the season as a whole. On a team without a real PG. While his minutes HAVE increased recently, it happened when the season was well over 50% complete. We’ve had consistent offensive struggles dating back to early December. Why the delay in increased minutes?

I don’t subscribe to the theory that starting vs non starting doesn’t matter as long as the minutes are the same. That’s fine if a player isn’t starting because he’s redundant, but when he offers a unique skill set not found in the starting unit and the starting unit literally needs that skill set, not starting him is a big indictment on the coach.

Complaining about the bashing is even sillier imo. These are legitimate complaints.

 

I’m not bashing “legitimate complaints”. I think you know what I meant. How about “ the extreme level of bashing gets silly”. And I don’t mean you.

is that better

 

Fair!

 

Yeah, with us heading toward the playoffs and what will be a very difficult first round I would just like us to settle into

Sengun/Capela
Smith
KD/Tari
Amen/Okogie
Reed/Holiday

there Are still enough games left to see if DFS Could get to a usable level in the playoffs, but I don’t know if I see it. Especially because a lot of what we would want him to bring is already covered in a way by Okogie. I would have a key for playing holiday more just to see how he plays when he enters a game. You can often tell if he has it or not as far as being a little bit of a microwave scorer.

Is there a cap related reason why we would be continuing to wait to add somebody to the roster?

 

Although Reed gets 30 min per game in the past 19 games is a fact. Take a look of how his minutes are distributed.

When he comes in the game mid first quarter, we are usually down because our offense is struggling. Then Reed makes a shot and have an assist, Sudddenly Ime plays him for 15 minutes straight which leads to fatigue.

Compare to when he starts, he gets a break during the first half and Rockets are usually not down before the first substitutions come in.

 

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/reed-sheppard-stats-as-a-starter

 

16 and 6 with a 10-2 record as a starter. Another massive +/- day.

Ime just needs to stop with this nonsense. No excuse for him to not be a starter and top 5 minutes getter until seasons end.

Team may still fail, but when you know one thing isn't working you stop doing it. KD and the bricklayers with no handles for sure ain't it. That humliation against the Lakers should have been the death knell of ever even considering it again.

 

No, the only reason Reed was "developed" this year is because FVV went out with an injury. If FVV was still healthy Reed would be buried deep in the rotation and given inconsistent minutes for a 2nd year leading ppl to call him trash and getting sent to the G- league. If there was any indication Ime has a "strong desire" to develop Reed it would have happened last year consistently throughout the season.

Last year Ime initially gave Reed opportunities, but because Reed lacked confidence Ime basically gave up on developing him and Reed became an afterthought. It's taken him over 60 games to give in to pressure from media and fans to start Reed because it is UNDENIABLE now starting Reed makes the team better over his preference of his ALL D and NO O starting 5. Ime even with his comments about whether Reed would eventually be in the start 5 this year said "Not now, if ever" what kind of a piece of **** says this about a player they have a strong desire to develop?. It's just stubborness.

IME is a lil stubborn b**** and i say *** him.

 

If he starts in the last two Lakers games we one at least one of those games. Now it’s going to be difficult catching the Lakers who own the tie breaker and play easy/injured teams down the stretch. They know the 3rd spot is coveted because they’ll probably play a Wolves team with a hobbled Ant in the first round and then an inexperienced Spurs team in the second round. Meanwhile the Rockets are matched up with the Nuggets in the first round and if they get lucky enough to win, they face OKC next. The worst possible case scenario other than playing GS in the first round again.

 

Nothing has hampered Reed’s development. You’re just making up a negative scenario. Right b4 our eyes he is becoming who he can become independent of anything that you think hampered it.

Ime didn’t permanently hurt Reed’s career, or set it back, or anything.

Your comment in the quote above is just a theory dude.

 

Your cope and denial is next level. You’re like a guy trying find the silver lining in a girl cheating on you over and over

“well you see, this time she was super drunk and she actually slipped and landed on top of a dick, no harm done “

 

It's hilarious to me that there are still Ime apologists.

How anyone could even attempt to say that Ime didn't set back Reed's career and try to be taken seriously is beyond me.