[War] Trump declares war on Iran for regime change

Israel wants Iran to attack others. Wants to bring Saudi into the war with Iran.

 

Absolutely.

 

We couldn't stay in our homes when it meant not killing other Americans with COVID. We are sure not going to do it now.

 

serious question - are you ok? Over the last few months it seems like you are competing with @astros123 to become the least serious poster

 

At least he has guts to stick with his morals, unlike the flip flopping Tulsi Gabbard who in 2020, actually sold No War with Iran T-shirt during her Presidential campaign. She took her morals, and is literally wiping her butt with them and flushing them down the toilet to to stand by Trump now.

Let's rewind to June of 2019, when Tulsi Gabbard weighs in on foreign policy and the first primary debate on 'Tucker Carlson.

I copied the transcript starting at 2:32, and am not going to take the time to change it from all uppercase. Here is what she says:

BUT I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING FROM THAT CLIP THAT YOU PLAYED THAT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT, WHERE WE HEAR A LOT OF POLITICIANS SAY THE SAME ARGUMENT THAT, WELL, WE'VE GOT TO STAY ENGAGED IN THE WORLD, OTHERWISE WE'LL BE ISOLATIONIST AS THOUGH THE ONLY WAY THE UNITED STATES CAN ENGAGE WITH OTHER COUNTRIES IS BY BLOWING THEM UP OR STRANGLING THEM WITH ECONOMIC SANCTIONS, BY SMASHING THEM AND TRYING TO OVERTHROW THEIR GOVERNMENTS.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS WHOLE PREMISE AND THE WHOLE VIEW WITH WHICH TOO MANY POLITICIANS, TOO MANY LEADERS IN THIS COUNTRY, ARE VIEWING THE UNITED STATES' ROLE IN THE WORLD.

HOW ABOUT THE UNITED STATES BE A LEADER IN THE WORLD, WORK OUT DIFFERENCES AND BUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH NEGOTIATIONS AND DIPLOMACY AND FINDING COMMON INTERESTS AND SEEING HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER, SO WE CAN STOP SENDING OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORMS INTO HARM'S WAY, SERVING IN MISSIONS THAT DO NOT SERVE THE INTEREST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THAT MAKE OUR COUNTRY LESS SAFE AND ACTUALLY END UP CAUSING MORE HARM AND MORE DAMAGE TO THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRIES WHERE WE WAGE THESE WASTEFUL REGIME CHANGE WARS. THAT IS A KIND OF CHANGE LEADERSHIP I AM HOPING TO BRING AS PRESIDENT.

Tucker then asks her
YOU ARE NOT QUESTIONING THE IRONCLAD BIPARTISAN CONSENSUS IN WASHINGTON THAT SANCTIONS AGAINST IRAN ARE MORALLY RIGHTEOUS AND CAN NEVER BE WITHDRAWN, ARE YOU?

She responds...

I AM, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS LEADING US CLOSER AND CLOSER TO A WAR WITH IRAN, A WAR THAT WILL BE FAR MORE DEVASTATING THAN ANYTHING THAT WE SAW IN THE WAR IN IRAQ. A SURGE IN IRAQ IN 2005 FOR THE MEDICAL UNIT. THIS WAS THE HEIGHT OF THE IRAQ WAR.

THERE WERE LOTS OF AMERICAN CASUALTIES ALMOST EVERY DAY AND I WAS CONFRONTED WITH THAT HIGH, TERRIBLE HUMAN COST OF WAR, A WAR WITH IRAN WOULD MAKE THAT THAT WAR WITH IRAQ LOOK LIKE A PICNIC.

ESCALATING THIS CARD, CRIPPLING SANCTIONS, WITHDRAWING FROM THE IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL, DESIGNATING AROUND SMEAR MILITARY AS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, SOMETHING UNPRECEDENTED, AND CONTINUE TO DEPLOY MORE AND MORE U.S. TROOPS.

THE NEOCONS OF A TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND SAUDI ARABIA AND NETANYAHU HAVE CREATED THE SITUATION WHERE IT IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP TO AVOID A WAR WITH IRAN. THEY HAVE BUILT ALL THE BUILDING BLOCKS, PLACED THE DYNAMITE, AND LIT THE FUSE.

 

No.

They burned through $93.4B in September 2025 (the largest single-month spending total by any federal agency on record; over $50B of that was spent in just the final 5 busn days of September alone; spending included luxury items, lobster, steak...) due to "use it or lose it" budgeting, a practice where agencies spend their remaining budget at the end of the fiscal year rather than return unspent funds, because doing so would result in a smaller budget the following year. This incentivizes wasteful spending over efficiency.

U.S. military spending is out of control, and given our national debt, there should be no further increases to its funding. They should look internally, have DOGE (I'm not serious) return, and clean up the department's misuse of taxpayer funds.

 

Trump is sometimes a leaf reader for others.

"Israel is angry." Things aren't going well.

"The U.S. knew nothing." Well, yes, under this administration, the US has been flying aimlessly, or as I would say, aim-based-on-the-day's-event, with no real strategy.

"Iran didn't know." Oh, this is Trump not understanding Iran. They don't need to know if the attack was by Israel or the US To them, both are one.

"Extremely valuable South Pars field." Gas prices are extremely important right now, and disruption of them is not what this US admin wants to see, obviously.

"Will blow up the extremely valuable South Pars field if Iran continues to attack gas infrastructure." Two cars going 60mph at each other head-on, a madman's idea of negotiating in the open. Given Iran's goal of inflicting economic pain, they might just take this cue and act on it, then post a TACO meme.

 

Stars and Stripes started it's first publication in 1861. Hegseth doesn't want them to have independent reporting that may prevent him from feeding troops propaganda.

The Pentagon Blocked Its Own Publication From Attending Pete Hegseth’s Press Conference, Reporter Says

The Pentagon’s decision shocked social media users, including former Stars and Stripes reporter Kevin Baron, who reacted, “The Pentagon blackballed its own newspaper from covering its own press conference? Reminder, Stars & Stripes employees are US Army civilians. Their editorial independence is protected by Congress specifically to prevent political leaders from feeding troops propaganda.”

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/t...pete-hegseths-press-conference-reporter-says/

 

Does he really think he has a chance in 2028?

 

Donald Trump does not think strategically. Nor does he think historically, geographically, or even rationally. He does not connect actions he takes on one day to events that occur weeks later. He does not think about how his behavior in one place will change the behavior of other people in other places.

He does not consider the wider implications of his decisions. He does not take responsibility when these decisions go wrong. Instead, he acts on whim and impulse, and when he changes his mind—when he feels new whims and new impulses—he simply lies about whatever he said or did before.

For the past 14 months, few foreign leaders have been able to acknowledge that someone without any strategy can actually be president of the United States. Surely, the foreign-policy analysts murmured, Trump thinks beyond the current moment. Surely, foreign statesmen whispered, he adheres to some ideology, some pattern, some plan. Words were thrown around—isolationism, imperialism—in an attempt to place Trump’s actions into a historical context. Solemn articles were written about the supposed significance of Greenland, for example, as if Trump’s interest in the Arctic island were not entirely derived from the fact that it looks very large on a Mercator projection.

This week, something broke. Maybe Trump does not understand the link between the past and the present, but other people do. They can see that, as a result of decisions that Trump made but cannot explain, the Strait of Hormuz is blocked by Iranian mines and drones. They can see oil prices rising around the world and they understand that it is difficult and dangerous for the U.S. Navy to solve this problem. They can also hear the president lashing out, as he has done so many times before, trying to get other people to take responsibility, threatening them if they don’t.

NATO faces a “very bad” future if it doesn’t help clear the strait, Trump told the Financial Times, apparently forgetting that the United States founded the organization and has led it since its creation in 1949. He has also said he is not asking but ordering seven countries to help. He did not specify which ones. “I’m demanding that these countries come in and protect their own territory because it is their territory,” Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One on the way from Florida to Washington. “It’s the place from which they get their energy.” Actually it isn’t their territory, and it’s his fault that their energy is blocked.

But in Trump’s mind, these threats are justified: He has a problem right now, so he wants other countries to solve it. He doesn’t seem to remember or care what he said to their leaders last month or last year, nor does he know how his previous decisions shaped public opinion in their countries or harmed their interests. But they remember, they care, and they know.

Specifically, they remember that for 14 months, the American president has tariffed them, mocked their security concerns, and repeatedly insulted them. As long ago as January 2020, Trump told several European officials that “if Europe is under attack, we will never come to help you and to support you.” In February 2025, he told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that he had no right to expect support either, because “you don’t have any cards.” Trump ridiculed Canada as the “51st state” and referred to both the present and previous Canadian prime ministers as “governor.” He claimed, incorrectly, that allied troops in Afghanistan “stayed a little back, a little off the front lines,” causing huge offense to the families of soldiers who died fighting after NATO invoked Article 5 of the organization’s treaty, on behalf of the United States, the only time it has done so. He called the British “our once-great ally,” after they refused to participate in the initial assault on Iran; when they discussed sending some aircraft carriers to the Persian Gulf conflict earlier this month, he ridiculed the idea on social media: “We don’t need people that join Wars after we’ve already won!"

 

At times, the ugly talk changed into something worse. Before his second inauguration, Trump began hinting that he wouldn’t rule out using force to annex Greenland, a territory of Denmark, a close NATO ally. At first this seemed like a troll or a joke; by January 2026, his public and private comments persuaded the Danes to prepare for an American invasion. Danish leaders had to think about whether their military would shoot down American planes, kill American soldiers, and be killed by them, an exercise so wrenching that some still haven’t recovered. In Copenhagen a few weeks ago, I was shown a Danish app that tells users which products are American, so that they know not to buy them. At the time it was the most popular app in the country.

The economic damage is no troll either. Over the course of 2025, Trump placed tariffs on Europe, the United Kingdom, Japan, and South Korea, often randomly—or again, whimsically—and with no thought to the impact. He raised tariffs on Switzerland because he didn’t like the Swiss president, then lowered them after a Swiss business delegation brought him presents, including a gold bar and a Rolex watch. He threatened to place 100 percent tariffs on Canada should Canada dare to make a trading agreement with China. Unbothered by possible conflicts of interest, he conducted trade negotiations with Vietnam, even as his son Eric Trump was breaking ground on a $1.5 billion golf-course deal in that country.

Europeans might have tolerated the invective and even the trade damage had it not been for the real threat that Trump now poses to their security. Over the course of 14 months, he has, despite talking of peace, encouraged Russian aggression. He stopped sending military and financial aid to Ukraine, thereby giving Putin renewed hope of victory. His envoy, Steve Witkoff, began openly negotiating business deals between the United States and Russia, although the war has not ended and the Russians have never agreed to a cease-fire. Witkoff presents himself to European leaders as a neutral figure, somewhere between NATO and Russia—as if, again, the United States were not the founder and leader of NATO, and as if European security were of no special concern to Americans. Trump himself continues to lash out at Zelensky and to lie about American support for Ukraine, which he repeatedly describes as worth $300 billion or more. The real number is closer to $50 billion, over three years. At current rates, Trump will spend that much in three months in the Middle East, in the course of starting a war rather than trying to stop one.

The result: Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney has declared that Canada will not participate in the “offensive operations of Israel and the U.S., and it never will.” German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius says, “This is not our war, and we didn’t start it.” The Spanish prime minister refused to let the United States use bases for the beginning of the war. The U.K. and France might send some ships to protect their own bases or allies in the Gulf, but neither will send their soldiers or sailors into offensive operations started without their assent.

This isn’t cowardice. It’s a calculation: If allied leaders thought that their sacrifice might count for something in Washington, they might choose differently. But most of them have stopped trying to find the hidden logic behind Trump’s actions, and they understand that any contribution they make will count for nothing. A few days or weeks later, Trump will not even remember that it happened.

 

You know, institutionalized pts frequently walk around wondering why everyone else is crazy.

food for thought.

 

Israel Just bombed the largest gas field in the world on the Iran/Qatar border. Hopefully Iran will not respond similarly. Think of all the people in the millions who will suffer and die due to hunger and lack of fuel and fertilizer in the world. These folks are raving Jewish supremacists and or religious fanatics not that different from ISIS.

 

Didn’t Trump say the war was won like 2 days ago?