1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

You Can't Hide Three

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by opticon, Mar 10, 2026 at 10:29 PM.

  1. opticon

    opticon Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2006
    Messages:
    2,577
    Likes Received:
    1,333
    There's been a lot of discourse around the mantra you can't hide two. I think our core issue is that we can't hide three. What I mean by this is Kevin Durant is no longer a plus defender. Our defense won't be elite if if Shepherd, Sengun and Durant are all on the floor at the same time.

    I don't know what the solution is but I can definitely see where the problem is.

    We can beat an average team like the Raptors. But elite teams like the Pistons, OKC and the Spurs will break our defense when it counts.

    I want our team to win and I support them but, I'm not going to get bent out of shape when we lose games that we realistically have no chance of winning because of the composition of our line ups.

    Needed to get this off my chest lol.
     
    Rokman, clos4life, slothy420 and 7 others like this.
  2. astrosrule

    astrosrule Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2002
    Messages:
    8,691
    Likes Received:
    8,585
    Those teams have by far the best player when we match up. If you don’t have the best player, you need more depth. We don’t have 2 of our main guys, thus no depth advantage. It’s not rocket science.
     
    glimmertwins and heypartner like this.
  3. harold bingo

    harold bingo Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2017
    Messages:
    4,585
    Likes Received:
    13,173
    You are correct

    [​IMG]
     
  4. JHarden713

    JHarden713 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2014
    Messages:
    3,133
    Likes Received:
    1,473
    Not sure why we don't play more zone
     
  5. MystikArkitect

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2006
    Messages:
    16,118
    Likes Received:
    26,325
    But Hollins and everyone in the media keeps saying Durant is a great defender OP is trippin right?
     
  6. Hemingway

    Hemingway Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2016
    Messages:
    13,559
    Likes Received:
    17,786
    Durant is a pretty good defender when motivated, because of his length. However, he is too slow footed to guard the perimeter which has forced our better defenders in Amen and Jabari to guard the faster perimeter players, which has degraded our team defense. Sengun’s regression on defense is also a huge concern. We cold live with Reed’s poor defense if we had rim protector. I can’t stand FVV, because of his offense, but we definitely miss his defense, although I bet it continues to deteriorate as he ages.
     
  7. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 1999
    Messages:
    27,788
    Likes Received:
    18,057
    Every lineup iteration with Sengun on that list has bad defense by the Rockets' standards.

    KD and Sheppard's minutes look nice. Basically every KD iteration except the one with all three looks decent to nice.

    Sheppard and Sengun have not looked great on the court together when their PnR should be good. Defense is just tough.

    I don't think KD needs to be hidden, but he can't help hide a player either. It just hard to preswitch when there are only 2 guys a team wants in actions defensively.
     
    StrawberryJamm and harold bingo like this.
  8. Shark44

    Shark44 71er
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 1999
    Messages:
    5,293
    Likes Received:
    10,693
    So KD and Shep combo is the correct answer!
     
    harold bingo likes this.
  9. palmsnbananas

    palmsnbananas Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2010
    Messages:
    1,676
    Likes Received:
    2,505
    Absolutely correct, I think the main issue is we don’t have a lineup this year with Sengun in it that can be effective on defense.

    Last year when Alp was in. We didn’t really have a defensive weakness. Him and Jalen were mediocre defenders and we had plus defenders like Dillon. This year we can’t figure out how to be a good defensive team with Sengun on the floor.
     
  10. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 1999
    Messages:
    27,788
    Likes Received:
    18,057
    Amen was always going to guard the best opponent. KD is not forcing Amen to guard a better offensive player than is on the court.

    On JSJ, he is a low man just like Durant. Durant being in the game forces JSJ onto the SF often which is more than JSJ can handle. Durant and JSj are forcing Tari often on the SG which is more than he can handle. I think having FVV would keep Tari off the SG. JSJ still probably is not good enough defensively to take the best of the SF or PF from a POA standpoint for Rockets standards (i.e., he's fine for short-term switches, but not ideal). Durant and JSJ both being in the game have degraded the defense because they both do the same thing and have the same weakness (can't guard SFs or down that well). The Durant lineups without JSJ are great defensively, but that typically involves Amen, Tari, DFS, and/or Okogie manning the SG and SF spots and often a different center.
     
  11. DaDakota

    DaDakota Arrest all Pedophiles
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    132,717
    Likes Received:
    44,192
    He is when he is right next to the guy, but he doesn't rotate over to help anyone.

    DD
     
    subtomic likes this.
  12. Stephen_A

    Stephen_A Member

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2016
    Messages:
    7,324
    Likes Received:
    5,902
    Durant’s length saves him when smaller guys go to the rim and he does a decent job staying in front of his guy. Some problems i see with him is he has some issues laterally and doesn’t recover quickly. The defense overall this year isn’t the same. Throw Sheppard in the mix and lackadaisical Sengun, the D is really porous. It doesn’t have the punch first mentality it had last couple years.
     
  13. MrButtocks

    MrButtocks Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2005
    Messages:
    7,804
    Likes Received:
    6,194
    Durant has done way better defensively on the perimeter than I expected. Even when he's switched onto quick perimeter players he's not a liability. We're starting three very versatile and long defenders in Amen, Tari, and Jabari so the defense shouldn't be as degraded as it has. Amen and Tari were once called the terror twins, but their pairing isn't as impactful on the defensive end as it used to be. I agree we're missing FVV's defense. I don't know how he does it with his lack of height and foot speed, but he managed to keep point guards out of the paint without needing a shot blocker behind him.
     
    dmoneybangbang likes this.
  14. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    105,258
    Likes Received:
    53,366
    Durant is also going against the Cason Wallaces and the Stephon Castles of this world, or Carter Bryants who are all 19-23s.....

    Lol a 37 vs 21 year olds.....Good bye.
    I might well put my imaginary son into a geezer home and let him take over.

     
  15. baubo

    baubo Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2014
    Messages:
    2,543
    Likes Received:
    1,549
    Udoka is the culture/defensive guru that is suppose to make the pieces work. If he can't make Sengun, KD, and Reed Sheppard work, then he isn't good enough to be this team's head coach. Especially since he lobbied for KD to be on this team. Unless Udoka made that decision with the idea that he was just going to keep Reed on the bench and ride it out with FVV for 40 minutes a night, in which case he should be fired for another reasons, he should've known the potential issues and solved them during the offseason.
     
    DaDakota likes this.
  16. Hayesfan

    Hayesfan Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2006
    Messages:
    11,119
    Likes Received:
    804
    because we are terrible at it and it’s easier to beat
     
  17. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Atomic Playboy

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2002
    Messages:
    60,180
    Likes Received:
    54,592
    Where?

    @Jontro
     
    Jontro likes this.
  18. juanm34

    juanm34 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2009
    Messages:
    6,809
    Likes Received:
    8,053
    Cleverly disguised Trade Sengun thread :D
     
  19. roslolian

    roslolian Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    Messages:
    32,111
    Likes Received:
    22,231
    Kevin Durant had literally one of the higher defensive FG% last Jan but he is no longer a plus defender? lol



    Even the data you posted shows KD is a plus defender when by himself and with Reed or Sengun. How do you look at that and say KD is no longer a plus defender? And you needed to get it off your chest? lol wtf
     
    #19 roslolian, Mar 11, 2026 at 3:48 PM
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2026 at 3:56 PM
    jogo and napalm06 like this.
  20. Shroopy2

    Shroopy2 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2003
    Messages:
    16,681
    Likes Received:
    2,588
    KD back at the 3 is fine for offense. But I always had concern of him on defensive side guarding quicker players.

    For all the KD annoying baggage, it's really a good feat that at 37 he's playing huge minutes as the primary scorer, and holding down his end on D.
     
    Dobbizzle likes this.

Share This Page