So, where's everyone at with Jalen going into next year?

Ridiculous. Without Jalen Green's amazing next level athleticism he's not an NBA player at all.....he's struggling playing pick up games at the Y.

 

I feel like Ime must have a .500 record bonus somewhere that we don't know about. A few of the players don't seem to feel the need to win any more games, which I understand. I wonder if FVV has some bonuses he's trying to reach too. Curious.

Jalen is great. Sign him to a max and move his contract if it doesn't work. He has talent and work ethic. Make him a career Rocket and don't ask him to carry the whole team. Maxey playing next to him is my dream.

 

Massive improvement over 3 seasons by Jalen.




Just don't put it in context of the team as a whole



And DEFINITELY don't look at it compared to his peers in his draft class who played similar minutes.



Clearly that level of minor improvement can only be the result of a LEGENDARY work ethic. Max this man immediately!

 

Now let me remix it for those who actually know about scouting HS to NBA players development process from the macro view

Your list for obvious reasons doesn't include the following (and make sure you post their first 3 yrs of metrics in comparison to the Fluke):
A Johnson / A Blanche / M Ellis / R Sanchez / M Webster / D Wright / G Green / L Williams / KG / TMac / Howard / S Telfair / A Jefferson / J O'Neal / JR Smith / KB8-24 etc ......basically anyone not Amare/LBJ

Then you will have a simple path on how High School to NBA players develop.....and make sure you tell us in an intelligent tone how many of those players you would have maxed out after their first 3 yrs

I want all the smoke (metrics)

 

If you remove all of Jalens god given physical talent... you get a player who averages more points more efficiently?



Cam Thomas > Green (as of today)

 

Lol trust me, I knew you were going to make excuses for why you think it's okay that your scrub still sucks.

 

But that's not an excuse

Its about comparing the group of players who made the leap from High School to NBA

Its why you are laughing

Because you looked at some of those players on that short version list and was like damn, if Green is a Fluke, they are clearly......

Unsolved Mysteries ....

And you wouldn't extend 98% of the list after yr three, especially by your magnanimous rating scale with the irrepressible Metrics

Don't forget to showcase the metrics just like you did earlier, but you had the wrong list of players

Send that remix when u get a moment, killa / kiddo

 

Is Can Thomas asked to exert as much energy as Green on defense?

Is Cam attracting the same offensive gravity as Green?

Do you just state at a ts% number And call it a day?

Is Cam averaging this many points on a team like the Rockets that are around a .500 team in the West where his coach demands him to exert full energy on the other side of the ball who also can't develop as much of an on ball rhythm because there are guys like FVV and Sengun on the team?

Is Cam even getting 20 mpg on a Ime coached team?


Cam Thomas has a similar on/off impact on a tanking **** team
https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4932/onoff#tab-team_efficiency


Keep in mind it significantly easier to have better on/off impacts on bad teams because usually that means your replacement is going to suck also.

 

yes

 

No

 

It shouldn't be used as an excuse... but you're trying.

The funny part is that Green isn't even the youngest player drafted by the Rockets in the first round of the same draft class.... and that guy doesn't need those excuses.... but Jalen does because he's still terrible at basketball 3 years later.

 

Even the dullest tool in the NBA shed would know that AS playing in that pro league getting MVP at that.....that trumps a HS/15 game g league stint.....or do you think as a sharper tool in the shed?

Its like Luka entering the league ready from basically day one from playing pro ball over there for yrs being groomed properly.....

You won't post the metrics on what I mentioned because it would smack you across the face on how he is more closer to TMac/Kobe/KG than he is to Webster/Sanchez/Harrington etc

Like I said you wouldn't extend none of those players except for LBJ after 3 yrs

And based on your supremacy standards of rating your players, Amare wouldn't get a max extension either

So Green is lumped in with the other 38......that is who you compare him to, but mostly the guards out of that group

Then you come to a erudite conclsuion, all emo aside

Its really that simple killa/kiddo.....

You just dug in so deep day one and thought you were brighter than everyone but couldn't even compare him to his true peer group

Those who came from High School straight to the NBA ......pretty sure you can Google the list

 

Still a mystery . But hopeful

multiple things can be true

#1 - jalen SUCKED his first two years . Anyone who says otherwise is just wrong . Regardless of how many qualifiers you want to put (age , experience, teammates) … he was just objectively bad .

we gave him a starting spot and playing time
That was not earned but rather came from the merit of his draft position .

I don’t know if we were purposely trying to lose or hope that playing time would make him better . Either way , the team was horrible and It made rockets basketball a painful chore to watch .

#2 - this year , there is FINALLY some accountability and he has improved . Anyone who says he hasn’t improved is wrong .

now … has he improved enough ? Will we give him max ? What’s his trajectory going forward ? Those are all more difficult questions … and I don’t envy stone , even if he is responsible for being in this position .


Beyond this question are even deeper questions that influence those answers . Like ,what kind of style / teammates would maximize his potential ? And , is he the player on the team with the highest ceiling ?

aka… should we be focusing on maximizing him .

im not a firm believer . There are several red flags .

#1 - effort and intensity . He has shown much more of that this year , but it had to be brought out by Udoka . At the pro level , he should not be babysat on effort forever . Will it come out naturally? Is he a true competitor?

#2 - shooting . Jalen isn’t 6’10” this is the modern NBA and to be a top 10-15 guard you have to shoot the rock well , very well . If not , you better be Russel Westbrook with intensity and everything else . I don’t think it’s fair to compare the 2 . Russ was a higher level athlete and bigger positionally .Think about the fact that he had injuries and still came back at an MVP level

to me , greens upside is as a very good combo guard . But I’m not sure elite . He hasn’t flashed the advanced reads that he would need to be a lead ball handler . His scoring , while it can be explosive ..
Is not consistent enough to be a lead scorer on a good team .

it will be interesting to see how the league adapts to him . This is the first year it’s been worth it to put him on the scouting report … and generally teams put together an even better strategy over an offseason . (Of course In a playoff series as well )

He still has a lot of holes in his game . Gotta keep working and have luck on his side and stay healthy

 

U serious? Or is this sarcasm?

Jalen Green would be an albatross on a max deal without significant improvement

 

Ah yes, the younger player who came from a professional league had a massive advantage over the older player from a professional league... and that's why Jalen Green still sucks at basketball 3 years later.

Gotta love the hilarious excuses of fanbois

 

AS was better groomed to go against the physical nature which is a very big aspect for any young player, even those who stay 2-3 three yrs in college have to get use to that end more so (and speed)

Silas nerfed Sengun first two seasons, the advantage AS had on Jalen day one was being a better low post player and passer, this was never about Green vs Sengun.....

Stop going off script and post that remix list of HS to NBA metrics

Sengun gap wasn't as wide as Luka who was said to be playing pro ball at 15 or so

Luka was more polished and NBA ready than everybody on that list not named Bron/TMac/Amare.....Howard had the frame

You keep calling something that actually happened and comparable using Metrics to see where those players were development wise as making up excuses, its not...its called proper context.....aren't you the bright one in the chat?

Then why is that so hard for you to grasp?

Shouldn't you compare Green to those who took his same route to see the up and down trajectory and how each player is diff and to see where Green somewhere realistically stands?

If Green is the worst player on that list then you trade him ASAP, especially when comparing his numbers to those guards who came straight out of High School

Bball is very simple.....within metrics as without metrics

 

The difference is Sengun is more talented.... you just feel like you have to make excuses for the scrub the Rockets drafted 2nd overall.

I already compared Jalen to his peers.... and he doesn't measure up.

You do realize that he's not a 19 year old kid coming out of High School anymore, right?

He's been a professional basketball player for 4 years now.... it's time to retire that excuse.

 

Sengun didn't come straight out of High School to the NBA or he would be in the convo,

NBA is around 5 1/2 months, so Green is about to finish his 3rd NBA season (16 months)

And if you want to count his 14-15 game g league stint, just remember you and plenty others said that is on par or below a YMCA run by retirement home members

So I don't know where you are getting this extra yr when he will enter his 4th season in Oct., another 5 1/2 months for you to feast upon

Why would you retire a comparison that nobody has touched on?

You didn't set the narrative ...so you don't want to dig into those irrepressible Metrics that you love so much to see those sucky 3rd year players who made that HS leap...that you wouldn't sign to no max after 3rd yr.....not Kobe or KG/TMac/Howard etc

Kobe really don't count because he strong armed his way draft night to already 50+ win team who just acquired modern day Wilt in his prime, his metrics will be backed by strong support cast day one

But all others are fair game

I want all the smoke (metrics)

 

Again, a fluke isn't the whole second half a season. You stated his 5 game stretch was it, then he proceeded to run off another stretch of 20+ pt games. You were wrong about Jalen & should apologize

 

Lol, oh Jalen fanbois...... never change, you are a ceaseless source of unintentional comedy.