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Alperen Sengun is the Rockets' franchise player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Jan 17, 2023.

  1. NewAge

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    What do you mean "it doesnt matter"? You mean Morey would match?
    Well, he only gets 48 hours and the minute he matches his cap space is gone.
    Follow the conversation, please.
     
  2. pmac

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    Yea, It's likely a non issue for a couple reasons:

    • Most of the important deals will happen in the first 24 hours. Many actually being agreed to before free agency actually starts
    • The other team will lock up their own cap figure for 48 hours (while most of the best players come off the board) for a player that will 100% not come to their team because the Sixers will match.

    My guess is that Maxey's agent will have a secondary team lined up and will sign an offer sheet if Morey takes too long to get back to them. But again, this worst case scenario only brings them to a similar situation as what they would have seen if they gave Maxey an early extension. So, no risk. The only bad transaction would be if Maxey takes the very low qualifying offer and becomes an unrestricted free agent.

    This will be the same for the rockets and Sengun next year, if they're both smart.
     
  3. Easy

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    I love @Os Trigonum , I just don't like his Sengunatic/Sengunian schtick. :D
     
  4. MystikArkitect

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    An Alpy extension is a no brainer. I'd imagine that teams like the Spurs, Pistons, Warriors, etc would all come after Alpy hard in RFA.
     
  5. Houston77

    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    Yup. You offer that rookie max extension the moment you are able.
     
  6. conquistador#11

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    Does Alpi even know he gets paid to play the game he loves
     
  7. astrosrule

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    It makes no difference if those teams want him, they can’t sign him. The only reason to extend him now vs waiting till next offseason is to lose cap space next summer. That is the only difference. There is no benefit to doing it, only negatives. Even if alpi is a moron and doesn’t understand anything about the cba or how the nba works, and doesn’t trust the rockets at all, you still are better off waiting

    Also, no team would even sign him as an RFA because they would be punting on their ability to sign other players because everyone knows rockets would 100% match
     
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  8. AroundTheWorld

    AroundTheWorld Insufferable 98er
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    If you are right, were all the teams who signed their rookies to extensions when they could stupid, because they lost cap space?

    https://www.nba.com/news/players-who-signed-rookie-extensions-before-2023-24-deadline
     
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  9. astrosrule

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    It doesn’t apply to high draft picks or the small extensions, you only benefit from a low draft pick who will get a max, like tyrese maxey. Literally the only difference between signing alpi this offseason and next is losing 20+ mil in cap space in 2025. The benefit is nothing
     
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  10. AroundTheWorld

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    Why did Indiana give a max extension to Haliburton (12th pick, only 4 difference to Alpi at 16)? Are they stupid?
     
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  11. daywalker02

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    Reported.
     
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    The benefit is setting the direction for your franchise, letting the player know how you value him and let him play the next season without the fear of getting an injury that will harm his contract and fully concentrate on developing himself.
     
  13. astrosrule

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    You actually think it’s smart to extend him now and lose the 20+ mil in 2025 cap space? You think that’s a GOOD idea?
     
  14. DatRocketFan

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    Asking a sengunatics about whether he cares about Rockets long term benefit vs sengun benefitting is wild. That's like wondering what a sengunatic thinks about sengun.
     
  15. astrosrule

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    There’s no benefit to sengun to sign early, the team being worse isn’t really a benefit for him. It’s basically:
    Path A: sengun
    Path B: sengun plus 22 mil cap space
     
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    I could be looking at their salary obligations wrong, but it looks like they weren’t going to have cap space to use either way. So extending him early didnt change their situation.
     
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    Why JG fanatics and only fans always talk about "team" when it comes to Sengun? Word of wisdom to annoying JG trolls: Everybody sees for what you are despite your best attempt.
     
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  18. snowconeman22

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    Worried about sengun . Undersized C and that was a bad injury (sometimes
    A bad sprain is worse than a clean break )

    positives are he’s young and he’s flexible
     
  19. Y2JT

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    Good for them. They won't actually sign him. They can offer any package they want and we can match it. They spend 2 days with their own flexibility tied up in a deal we 100% match. We keep our star, save 20 mil in cap room and they miss out on other players.
    Listen to astrosrule. He understands how this works.
     
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  20. AroundTheWorld

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    That's actually my point (and question): @astrosrule keeps talking about us having all that cap space, but would we even have it, or would we need to make some other maneuvers first to even free it up?

    Because if we realistically won't have cap space anyway, why not just extend him.
     

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