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Another day another mass shooting

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  1. Nook

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    I think the problem is that the focus is on limiting assault rifles, when really the focus should be on handguns - which are a FAR bigger problem in the USA.
     
  2. ima_drummer2k

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    Sort of like a mass shooter training class.
     
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  3. Buck Turgidson

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    If you have guns in the house (like I grew up with) it's your dad/grandad's responsibility to teach that, not a school.
     
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    The insanity of this as a solution to school shootings (avoiding real solutions)... what would any of what is being proposed do to have prevented any of the school shootings that have happened?


    https://www.tennessean.com/story/ne...-training-in-schools-goes-to-lee/73216451007/
     
  5. geeimsobored

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    Its one of the more underdiscussed aspects of polling on guns. Support for basic gun control is still very high but support for significant restrictions on handguns has actually fallen over time. Handgun regulation used to poll the same as assault weapon regulation. Now the two have diverged and handguns have become normalized.
     
  6. AroundTheWorld

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    I get nervous every time I open Clutchfans before I open the news, and I see this thread bumped.
     
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    Insh'allah.
     
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    the first thing we made in 9th grade shop class, after the pig shaped cutting board for mom, was a gun rack. I put mine on my bedroom wall, and a 22 single shot rifle, 410 double barrel, and 16 gauge pump shotgun lived in it all through high-school. of course, bullets and shells were kept elsewhere.
     
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    A Maryland teenager wanted to carry out two school shootings and outlined those plans in a 129-page document that a tipster flagged to authorities, officials said Thursday.

    Alex Ye, 18, of Rockville, was arrested Wednesday on a charge of threats of mass violence, the Montgomery County Police Department said in a statement on Thursday.

    Central to the case is the document, which was seized under a search warrant following an investigation by the FBI and police, according to the statement.

    "In the document, Ye writes about committing a school shooting, and strategizes how to carry out the act. Ye also contemplates targeting an elementary school and says that he wants to be famous," police said.

    In his writings, Ye allegedly explained that he wanted to attack his former elementary school because “little kids make easier targets” and also “strategized on how to access the easiest classrooms in his high school,” Montgomery County Police Chief Marcus Jones told reporters in Gaithersburg on Friday.

    “This situation highlights the critical importance of vigilance and community involvement in preventing potential tragedies,” Jones said, adding that “a potentially catastrophic event was prevented” by the brave witness and collaborative efforts by authorities.

    Despite these mass shooting plans, Ye wrote that his real desire was to become a serial killer.

    “Ye also wrote that he wanted to become a serial killer instead of a mass murderer because serial killers are romanticized a lot more,” Jones added.

    Police have been investigating Ye since early March and only arrested him this week when they feared he might actually carry out these plans.

    "It’s not our goal to make an arrest in every case of a threat," Jones said, adding that his agency has worked on 140 tips of possible school violence this academic year alone.

    "But this case is different. This case is entirely different — that takes it to a different level. It was a concerned witness who brought this matter to light by reporting the suspect’s manifesto to authorities."

    Investigators also found internet searches, drawings and documents "related to mass threats of violence," according to the statement.

    Police added that security had been increased at schools as a result of the investigation, particularly Thomas S. Wootton High School in Rockville, where Ye had attended in person before being sent to a string of psychiatric hospitals.

    Authorities first learned of the document — which Ye called a “memoir” — after being contacted by an informant named in court records only as "Witness-One." The person spent time in a psychiatric facility with Ye, who said the memoir was a fictional account of a high school shooting.

    According to court records, the memoir opens with a disclaimer that says: "This is not threat of violence, nor does it represent the author’s beliefs."

    But its content was enough to alarm authorities and court records allege Ye put at least five people at Wootton High School "at a substantial risk of death or serious physical injury if the threat were carried out."

    "It appears that the 'manifesto' has portions of fictional and non-fictional qualities and is based on reality with a plan of Threats of Mass Violence," officials said in court documents.

    Ye allegedly wrote of wanting to shoot up his school with an AR-15, targeting the elementary school because little kids make easier targets, wanting to be famous and wanting to set the record for the most kills.

    His internet searches included gun ranges “near me” and searches about school shootings including Sandy Hook and Parkland, prosecutors said. He was also in a Discord chat group with others focused on glorifying school shootings, the charging document said.

    Ye was hospitalized from December 2022 for threatening to "shoot up school," and for having homicidal and suicidal ideations, according to court records. It was not immediately clear why Ye was released the next month as court records say it was determined he was still preoccupied with schools shootings, self-harm and explosives.

    Ye had not attended school since the fall of 2022, a public school spokesman said, but had continued his education through a remote learning program.

    A gun, belonging to Ye's father, was found locked in the family home during a police search, Jones said. But the suspect did not appear to have access to a weapon.

    Montgomery County Executive Marc Elrich told reporters on Friday that Maryland's strict gun control laws may have prevented a tragedy.

    "This could well be a case where the difficulty to get guns prevented him from getting a gun when he wanted it, and possibly prevented him from acting as soon as he would have preferred to act,” Elrich said.

    Still, authorities said they believed Ye was a legitimate threat.

    "Even after being removed from the school, Ye said that he could do something at graduation because he lived close to the school," Jones said Friday.

    a 129 page manifesto…most kids won’t even read a 129 page book, let alone write one
     
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    Glad they could stop him before it happened.
     
  12. K9Texan

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    Most schools are an inviting target because local governments require them to be virtually defenseless and everybody knows this.
     
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    Yes, most school shooters really wanted to shoot up a toy manufacturing factory but ended up settling on a school because of the weak defenses.
     
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    Some would-be mass shooters in public are stopped by an armed citizen. It's illegal in most jurisdictions for anyone other than a cop to be armed on school property and we have examples of even police declining to put themselves in harm's way. The best strategy is for competent, capable, school, employees to be permitted to carry concealed guns on school property.
     
  15. deb4rockets

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    There definitely needs to be much stronger regs and background checks for handguns and permits to carry. We also need to eliminate the gun sale loopholes laws for gun shows and online purchases.
     
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    We should protect our schools with tanks and drones like they do in Canada.
     
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  17. Astrodome

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    Glad Tank wasn't injured worse.

    https://www.clickorlando.com/news/l...rant-in-seminole-county-sheriffs-office-says/

    According to investigators, the incident began as a verbal altercation that escalated and resulted in a total of 10 people suffering non-life-threatening gunshot wounds, primarily to their lower extremities.

    The shooter, identified Sunday afternoon as 16-year old Christopher Bouie Jr., was booked into a juvenile detention center, the sheriff’s office said.

    Bouie faces charges of possession of a firearm by a minor, use and display of a firearm during a felony, firing a weapon in public property and attempted homicide, according to his arrest report.

    News 6 is naming and showing Bouie due to the severity of the charges he faces.

    Bouie’s arrest report describes the fight in greater detail, stating it was a fist fight that he was uninvolved in at the time he “turned around and pulled out a black and silver handgun (9mm) and began shooting towards a crowd of people.” The security guard who stopped Bouie was able to tackle the teen and disarm him “almost immediately” after he began shooting, according to the report.

    Of the ten victims who arrived at the hospital with gunshot wounds from the incident, several have indicated they wish to prosecute, the report states.

    A social media post made by Cabana Live states it had reserved the venue for a private event and that the shooting happened outside of the establishment, adding its employees were safe and the business was back open for normal working hours as it cooperates with the investigation.

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