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Can the FBI Be Saved from Itself?

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  1. NewRoxFan

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    trump maga extremists... led by new gop house leader mtg...

    House Republicans are in chaos again as conservatives derail a key surveillance bill
    The House GOP is working to reauthorize FISA Section 702, a spying power that the White House says is key to national security. But some conservatives and Donald Trump oppose it.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...aos-fighting-key-surveillance-tool-rcna147175
     
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    The cult leader says jump, the gop says, how high sir
     
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    "key surveillance bill"

    lol
     
  4. FrontRunner

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    I think "duh" may have been the word you were looking for.

    What Is Section 702?
    • Section 702 is a key provision of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 that permits the government to conduct targeted surveillance of foreign persons located outside the United States, with the compelled assistance of electronic communication service providers, to acquire foreign intelligence information.
    • The government uses the information collected under Section 702 to protect the United States and its allies from hostile foreign adversaries, including terrorists, proliferators, and spies, and to inform cybersecurity efforts.
    Who Can The IC Target Under Section 702?
    • Non-U.S. persons, Located abroad, Who are expected to possess, receive, or communicate foreign intelligence information.
    WHO CAN’T THE IC TARGET UNDER SECTION 702?
    • U.S. persons, regardless of location
    • Any person located inside the U.S.
    • A foreign person located abroad for the purpose of targeting a U.S. person or person inside the U.S. with whom the foreign person is communicating (often called “reverse targeting”)

    https://www.dni.gov/files/icotr/Section702-Basics-Infographic.pdf
     
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    "target" is the word that's fooling you. They can still search the database for American citizens without a warrant.

    https://fedsoc.org/briefcase/reform...database-for-the-communications-of-us-persons

    Despite these protections, the FBI routinely combs through Section 702 data for the express purpose of finding and reviewing Americans’ phone calls, text messages, and emails. In other words, having obtained the data without a warrant by certifying that its intent is not to access the communications of particular, known Americans, the government—once the data is in its hands—regularly runs searches for the communications of particular, known Americans. As I have noted many times, this is a bait and switch that drives a massive hole through the Fourth Amendment. In 2022 alone, the FBI conducted more than 200,000 of these “backdoor searches” (as they are commonly known). [2]

    In most cases, the only substantive restriction on these searches is a FISA Court-approved rule that each search must be “reasonably likely” to return foreign intelligence or evidence of a crime. That’s an extremely low bar, and yet, according to the FISA Court, the FBI has engaged in “persistent and widespread violations” of this rule. These violations have included alarming abuses, such as searches for the communications of 141 Black Lives Matter protesters, more than 19,000 donors to a congressional campaign, two members of Congress, and multiple U.S. government officials, journalists, and political commentators, among many others.

    After these abuses came to light, the FBI made several changes to its internal procedures in an attempt to bring the bureau into compliance. But those changes proved insufficient. Since their implementation, the government has continued to report FBI violations at a rate of approximately 4,000 per year. And these violations continue to include shocking abuses, such as searches for the communications of a U.S. senator, a state senator, and a state court judge who contacted the FBI to report civil rights violations by a local police chief.
     
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    Everyone should be opposed to FISA and 702. I should know better but I am still stunned and embarrassed for those who so willingly support things like this.

     
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    Trump is ponderously ignorant ... but ... the FISA laws might need to be re-written now that we are 20+ out form 9/11. Of course, Trump would not approve of a new and improved FISA because of ... reasons.
     
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    trump's own Homeland Security Advisor saying trump is full of it...

     
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    I appreciate the link. I've found some other stuff that I want to look into as well before commenting further. I'm unfortunately swamped right now and am going to need a few days at least to process things...
     
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    Interesting to note how it wasn’t that long ago that Republicans were the ones who were pushing for increased surveillance and accusing those in the Left for risking Americans’ safety for not supporting them.
     
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    Yes. Sadlly, I'm still against Fusa.
     
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    I don't think we should be renewing this. I'd be okay with a law that lowers the bar to get a warrant to spy on foreign nationals on foreign land. But bad things happen when you let one branch operate without even showing their work to at least one other branch.
     
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