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War in The Middle East: Iran Edition

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ubiquitin, Mar 12, 2022.

  1. El_Conquistador

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    How can you look at all the wars raging across the world and make your statement? Biden's weakness has opened the door for countries to act on their war plans time and again. Biden lost the ability to execute a deterrence policy when he botched the Afghanistan withdrawal. Countries saw how politics ruled our actions instead of military decisions. There is no objective way to look at Biden's foreign policy results and say that it hasn't been the worst in decades. Trump's was excellent -- no new wars started under his Administration. We had deterrence under Trump -- countries feared us and he was unpredictable. Biden -- total opposite. Our adversaries no longer respect & fear us, and our military is falling way short on its recruitment numbers. Seriously, what are you looking at to come to the conclusion that Biden's foreign policy has been anything other than a colossal failure?
     
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    I’d love to read the 100’s of posts where you rationalize and support the actual wars republican started in the past on here. Now you rationalize wars that the US didn’t start but now blame the US president. You can’t even see how messed up that is because it’s just your team vs another team. Yet pretend to be above and beyond in intelligence.

    bahahahah :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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    Again, this is not some obscure history.

    The Afghanistan withdrawal was proposed and approved by Trump and was the right thing to do. Forever wars are ultimately wastes.
    Israel and Gaza have been at conflict before and after the Trump presidency.

    Biden has not started any wars. Biden has supported Ukraine with money and equipment against Russian invasion which in my and most Americans opinion was and is the right the thing to do. This was a bipartisan effort.
     
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    Biden's actions led to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The 2021 strategic partnership with NATO and Ukraine crossed Putin's red line and led to war.

    Disappointed that you didn't know this. Your opinion doesn't appear to be informed.... probably because your jersey is on (what you accuse others of is usually what liberals are actually doing themselves).
     
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  5. El_Conquistador

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    My view on war has evolved, as Trump and Musk have exposed the corruption and dishonestly within government.

    Biden's views on race have evolved over time -- he is on video saying he doesn't want his kids living around blacks in a "racial jungle". He also called Obama the first articulate African American. Now he goes to black churches and panders for votes -- quite the conversion!
     
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    I support NATO, but that’s not a liberal take at all.

    Only one person is responsible for Russia invading Ukraine in 2022 and he is living in a mansion fortress in Sochi.
     
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    It sounds like Israel is preparing for multiple scenarios but the one that may be the least inflammatory is Iran attacking Israel’s embassy in Azerbaijan. Especially if Iran is able to duplicate its accuracy in the 2020 retaliation against us killing their general. Not trying to downplay the TBI from that but in the end it was fairly toothless in comparison to what it may have otherwise been.
     
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    @Ubiquitin told you Iran wasn't going do anything to anyone.

    .. lol the president of France macron literally told Putin in writing France would veto any nato application of NATO. What a lying piece of **** you are.

    Watching Bush era neocons transform to defend putin has been the funniest thing ever. Scumbags who never had any morals
     
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    Putin was always going to invade. He was waiting and hoping Trump would win a 2nd term because Trump said he would pull us out of NATO and we wouldn't have supported Ukraine. Once Trump didn't win Putin decided to go in anyway.
     
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    Actually, the complete opposite. Putin waited for a weak, former comedian to be in charge in Ukraine (Zelensky) and a weak, feeble puppet of the bureaucratic state to be in charge in the US (Biden). Then he acted. Putin respected and feared Trump -- and didn't push up on him. Biden showed his weakness with the Afghanistan withdrawal -- and that was the point when the US lost its ability to pursue deterrence. Biden's foreign policy actions have been just dreadful -- and there is no arguing that.
     
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    LMAO at the joker who thinks Putin respects Trump. Putin knows what a dumbass he is, and how easily he can use praise, money, and bribes to manipulate that fool. Nobody serves as a foreign intelligence officer for 16 years in the KGB without knowing very well how to seek out and use men like Trump. Putin knows Trump will lie, cheat and steal for money and power, and he wants nothing more than a guy like that to support his evil ways like a puppet on a string.
     
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    Biden is literally the most bribed President in the history of the USA. Through his son, he sold influence and access to government officials and large corporations in Russia, Ukraine, China, and many more. These actions made him wealthy. And now our country is embroiled in funding Ukraine's war and getting outfoxed by Putin with foreign relations with the BRICs. Just an embarrassment that you haven't picked up on this yet. Your jersey must be pullover over your eyes! Or did you think Hunter Biden is a world class artist and simultaneously an energy expert and statesman in Europe and Asia? LOL at the naivete on display.
     
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    You are showing how brainwashed you are with every post you make You support a con man and idiot who has had 8 bankruptcies and counting, who lies like he breathes, has been sued left and right for years from shady and wrongful personal and business practices, and who is an extreme security risk for doing the bidding of the Saudis, Russia, North Korea, and others.
    We've seen how he and that daughter made money for their own personal businesses off China, then turned around and made "certain" policies with them. We've seen the billions the Saudis poured into Trump's family and golf ventures already.

    We've seen how Trump believed the Saudis and Putin over our own intelligence over "murdering" those who spoke out against them. They had him right where they wanted him, believing their BS over our own intelligence. He has no loyalty to this country. He's only out for himself. We've seen those foreign adversaries coddle Trump for attention, pour money into his personal ventures, and wine and dine at Mar a Lago, while dumbass Trump leaves boxes of highly confidential documents everywhere he can browse through and show off to impress people, even though the smart ones are only laughing to themselves with how stupid he is and love it.

    The man's cocky, borderline illiterate, dumb about most things, and can't keep his mouth shut if he tried. He's a sociopath, and a narcissistic lying con who thinks he's God's gift on earth, and lives in an altered state of reality.

    You can't trust that man with top secret info, when his buddies abroad can manipulate him like putty to get the info they want. It's easy. They know he doesn't care about Democracy or a free and fair election. They know he wants to be King of his castle. All they have to do is pump his ego, offer him money for his personal businesses and ventures, and simply watch him fold to their wishes. He's done it before, and he'll do it again. You think he cares about breaking the law to get what he wants? Hell no he doesn't. He's done it his entire life. He just never had to face the piper until now. So, he tells people like you it's all a witch hunt, everyone else is lying, and you believe him. Just like Trump believed an ex KGB officer and a Saudi Prince.

    SMH at your stupid reference to Hunter. You are proof that guys like Hitler, Trump, and Jim Jones can brainwash good people into believing anything they say, as evil or crazy as it is, when their whole purpose is to use them for money or to do the unthinkable for them. You are one of them now, and it's only you who can snap out of that altered state at this point. That's a fact.
     
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    You try to scare people about Trump, but when Trump was President:
    1) Putin didn't start wars. Putin took Crimea under Obama and Donbas, Mariupol and Eastern Ukraine under Biden.
    2) Inflation was low -- now it's raging and the lower class has had their quality of life lowered due to rent and food prices
    3) The legal system was respected. Now it's being used to bankrupt and imprison political opponents. Lost credibility.
    4) Our armed forces had the ability to use deterrence -- peace through strength. Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal and general weakness was responsible for the US no longer being feared... and so then Russia, Hamas, and other adversaries are launching off on their strategic objectives because they think Biden is weak.
    5) Our border was far more secure than it is now -- a true national security risk.

    But with regard to your comments on Hunter Biden -- do you believe he is a world class artist, capable of selling art for millions? Do you believe he is an energy expert and global statesman deserving of millions per year in compensation from international governments and companies? If so, then Biden is not corrupt. If not, then my statement stands -- Biden is the most bribed President in US history. And when you see how he is using liberal judges and liberal jury pools to attack, bankrupt, and imprison political opponents, it's quite easy to see how corruption would be something he wouldn't turn down due to morals...

    GOOD DAY
     
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    You are in an altered state. The facts about Trump speak for themselves. He doesn't have a single trait that is worthy of respect. If you can't see that, then you are brainwashed. You and your lying con and creep Trump can support an ex KGB leader who kills and poisons adversaries, bombs hospitals and schools, watches his troops murder innocent women and children, all you want, but I'm not supporting evil and dangerous men like that. I'm also not stupid enough to believe trickle down economics is going to make things better, or that ripping Democracy to shreds, or trying to steal elections is the answer. We don't want a King or Dictator/Authoritarian leader. That's not what this country was supposed to turn into. It's what people fled from.
     
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    Which of my facts do you disagree with?

    Inflation, Wars, Respect for our military, the border? All were far better under Trump -- objectively. All facts.

    How can anyone think that Republicans are shredding Democracy when Democrats are using the legal system to keep candidates off the ballot? Democrats are suing to prevent signature verification on ballots. Democrats want no integrity to our voting system at all -- wide open to fraud. They fully plan to cheat again. Clear to anyone watching. But they also want to throw their opposition in prison before an election can even be held. They want power held by unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats to run the country. This is shredding democracy. Truth.
     
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    you supported george w bush and his invasion of iraq so you really dont have much credibility when discussing american foreign policy.
     
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    LOL...where do you find the energy for this at 9am? Then again that would make it 5pm in Moscow...
     
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    oh oh Traitor Jorge.

    Turn off the NewsMax. Your brain has turned to mush. Your trolling use to be funny. now it's just pathetic.

    Truth
     
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    I don't watch any of the cable TV anger-tainment networks. I read a lot of international and domestic sources, I interact with a broad network of business leaders, and I am living/working/investing in the economy today through my commercial ventures. That's why my views are so much more well informed than others around here. I have significantly greater access to information.
     

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