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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. Ubiquitin

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    Most people have a neutral opinion on third party countries. We are not Ride or Die any nation besides our own.
    I am using we as in the collective US not a specific person.

    We dislike Russia because of their imperial ambitions and the cold war.
    We dislike Iran because they took our people hostage and have actively antagonized us since.
    We dislike China because they're a viable global rival.
    We distrust Muslims because of 9/11.

    But we are not pro-UK, pro-France, pro-Germany, pro-Israel, pro-Japan, or any other nation beyond what benefits us first.
     
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    Iran is the puppet master of all of this.

    The Gaza money was spent on enough tunnels to make Elon impressed.
    What were these tunnels for? Smuggling weapons, military bunkers, and kidnapping/attacking Israel

    it's not like they didn't plan this for years and years, they did.
    They aren't giving up the hostages either.

    The media is pouncing on Israel but they too scared now to condemn Russia. Wonder why?
     
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  3. trustme

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    Trust me, they love to kill aid workers.

     
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    It's funny how these boomers have brainwashed themselves thinking the rest of America is as braindead dumb as they are.

    Recent polling by gallup shows a majority of Americans are anti lsrael. These right wing donks have no idea how much damage Israel has caused itself since the war started.
     
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    I don't think that's necessarily true. for most people, they're ride or die with our Allies, including NATO countries, AN/NZ, Japan, and Israel. Taiwan is maybe an edge case.

    Asking Israel to leave Hamas intact, is like asking the US to negotiate with Al Qaeda or ISIS, or, for that matter, the Japanese or Germans in WW2.
     
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    Evil. Pure evil.
     
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  7. Ubiquitin

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    When we went to war with the Taliban, we didn't destroy Kabul.
    When we went to war with Saddam, we didn't destroy Baghdad.
    The IDF could have gone to war with Hamas and taken out the leadership. But it chose option two: operating with loose ROE against all of Gaza.

    That's the challenge. The war is being broadcast in 4K and we have little appetite for destruction.
     
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    This is all absurd to me.

    This is going to end with the eradication of either Israel or the Palestinians.

    The West has armed Israel, so their genocide will most likely be successful and they will crush and destroy the Palestinians, including women and children so that they can have more land to expand their borders.

    The fallout within the Middle East is likely going to be extreme - as it is only going to increase violence in the Middle East - some governments like Iraq will be undermined, and others will only become more brutal like Iran.

    Jordan has largely been successful in keeping out extremists - same with Kuwait as well. However, this will REALLY be stressed as more moderate people in the region are going to be pressed to take sides, and seeing a genocide near them doesn't look good for the Western oriented nations.

    Iran already has a great deal of influence with the citizens in Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, Yemen and Syria. They can call on proxy supporters and terrorist groups to fight for their influence.

    Saudi Arabia has not been as good at gaining support amongst the people of the Middle East.

    It looks like Saudi Arabia will ultimately form an alliance with Israel, Kuwait, the United States
     
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    Why are you using Afghanistan and not yemen? Since the war started we have been bombing houthi targets in yemen and have killed zero civilians. ZERO while successfully taking out houthi targets.

    These right wing donks @AroundTheWorld @ROXRAN simply don't get it. You can kill terrorists without killing civilians
     
  10. Ubiquitin

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    Yemen is a humanitarian catastrophe all the same. But even Sanaa still stands and was not destroyed.

    10,000 civilians were killed in the Saudi led intervention to oust the Houthis and 375,000+ have been killed in the civil war.
     
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    IDF admits themselves that aid workers followed protocol and did everything they were supposed too. Yikes this is an awful awful look @AroundTheWorld .

    Israel will soon be by themselves. Bibi has set back Israel diplomacy by decades. Folks don't grasp how much harm this has caused Israel
     
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    Ad long as the "Palestinians" get to have weapons, there is no security for Israel. The "Palestinians" must be completely disarmed, and the hateful indoctrination of their children against Jews must be prohibited.
     
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    Israel is not comitting genocide. You keep saying that, but it is absolute nonsense.
     
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    Nah that's media BS because they can't control the narrative on tiktok like they can Facebook or IG. The "red-pilling" of politics and the world structure is absolutely a good thing. The young right wing Andrew tate/nelk boy crowd don't like israel, and then the left wingers obviously don't either. It's only the elderly
     
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    this is the challenge. the IDF is being far more deliberate than any other army in an urban environment. accidents, friendly fire, etc happens in war, particularly when one side hides among the civilian population. it sucks, but the fault lies with Hamas.
     
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    When you don't factor in human life when you bomb targets you absolutely are committing war crimes. Go study how the usa operates drone warfare. Your ignorance is pathetic
     
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    I know Israel is committing war crimes everyday so some massacres get lost in the mix. Just wanted to bring this up as a reminder as it happened yesterday right before Israel deliberately killed 7 aid workers.

    400 civilians murdered. Doctors executed. Civilians bull dozed. Largest hospital burned to the ground.

     
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    If you’re using John Kirby as proof that Israel did not intentionally kill those aid workers then you’ve lost the plot.
     
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    This is completely my position- 1st comes the elimination of hamas then you can think about what comes after the future you have to take care of step one...step 2 involves a demilitarized Gaza - after what happened on October 7 you have to have trust and verify going forward

    it's quite logical - Hamas has to be gutted out- after that yes take care of people - but there needs to be accountability that gazans show they will distance themselves from the tunnel loving terrorists.

    Gaza should never been allowed to have these tunnels- that is a lot of effort and aid resources to build those tunnels -
     
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