What will it take to make you seriously consider an EV?

Another weird thing...you have to "prove ownership" to be able to register the car to your "My Porsche" app. You have to upload a couple of documents and then it takes two business days for them to get back to you - before that, no features at all that can be controlled via app in that car. Very inferior to Tesla.

 

embarrassing

 

Needing a phone app in order to use my car is some sort of Dante circle of hell.

 

Very.

That's a nice color for a sports car, though.

 

CATL's Qilin 5C battery is looking like a beast of a battery pack.

Li Mega was able to charge its 102kwh battery pack from 10% to 80% in 10 minutes and 36 seconds.

It peaked at 521kw and finished at 309kw at 80% charge. That's crazy fast.

10 minutes is definitely in the range of the time it takes to tidy up your car a bit and squeegee the windshield.

https://carnewschina.com/2024/02/26...ry-charges-10-80-in-10-minutes-36-secs-video/

China's lead in in fast EV charging is starting to feel a bit like how many Chinese phones makers is able to fast charge their phone at 100w while Apple and Samsung is still in the 25w-30w range with an awful charging curve. The new Galaxy s24 45w charging is barely faster than 25w charging since it can only do 45w for such a short amount of time.

You can justify it by saying that Apple and Samsung care more about longevity while the Chinese phone don't. That's starting to ring a bit hollow to me. I haven't read any study of super fast charging phones having substantially worse battery degradation and they've had it for years now.

You have to start to wonder if Samsung and Apple just technologically behind.

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModel3/s/d4a6EmTzlr

lol. what kind of experiment is Tesla running?
Some sort of how much can we push our users till they have a psychotic breakdown…

 

Safety over speed. Samsung doesn't want another Galaxy 7 Note incident.

However I do agree, charging speed will be more important that battery density in the short term. 25 mins vs 12 mins is a huge difference.

 

Can't they make a retractable solar panel spoiler/moonroof that charges the car? Problem solved, but they want you to be dependent on something.

 

How about roads that charge as you drive?

https://www.fastcompany.com/9099009...uture-will-charge-your-car-as-you-drive-on-it

 

Oh man this is perfect for a south park skit

 

I think my biggest hurdle is the conception that you have to buy these new and that the batteries are a massive cost to replace once they go bad, effectively making EVs have a very short lifespan. I like to drive my cars for a long, long time. Can someone disabuse me of this opinion? I don't see a lot of OG Priuses around.

 

Combined with

 

This is literally straight out of the movie The Dilemma, including the car being a Dodge Charger.

 

This is along the lines of something that's becoming clearly evident to me: EV cars do not have longevity.

I own a 12-year-old Toyota, a 20-year-old Toyota, and a 50-year-old Plymouth. EV cars appear to be built to be disposable.
That's not appealing to me.

 

Exactly. Toyota FTW...it may be why they're hesitant to go whole-hog in on the EV market. They don't want to sully their gold reputation as a reliable, long lasting vehicle.

 

I see this criticism a lot, and I think it is somewhat fair. I do think the average person will likely always be covered by warranty *if* their battery does end up having issues...which is actually what happened with me (with the Volt). But even if that is the case, it is a legit concern that I'm not sure has a reasonable answer from the EV makers.

I do wonder if manufacturers could do a better job of modularizing these batteries (and the tech involved). If the issue is "I am worried that a 60kwh battery will cost ~$20K after 15 years," then I would say that technically shouldn't be a problem. I'd expect raw battery price per kwh to drop substantially over that timeframe (primarily because it has to, and not just for EVs). But if the issue is "I am worried that a 60kwh battery for a 2024 Chevy Equinox EV will cost ~$20K after 15 years," I'm not sure I can alleviate any fears. If these cars are tied to batteries of a specific type, then that's going to be a problem I think. Ideally they'd just work with any kind of battery (maybe allowing for less/more range than the original battery), but I'm guessing that's not currently the case. Maybe won't ever be the case.

There's a lot of cool battery tech. I just learned about flow batteries, which utilize liquid electrolytes....allowing you to theoretically "fill up" your battery with "battery fuel" so to speak (or just charge it like normal). There's probably a 10% chance this actually works out like that, but it does give me pause when thinking about some of the current EVs out there (assuming they're not "upgradeable").

 

I'm assuming technology will catch up and solve this problem eventually.

 

This has been my working assumption too.

I've always cringed at the thought of folks mass producing cars that effectively have a 10~ year life span.

Toyota hybrids are very practical and reliable. They're probably perfectly fine waiting for the tech to catch up to their standards before moving forward into EVs.

 

Using Rivian, BYD and Tesla as the gold standard, how long do you think their batteries last and what percentage degradation do you think you should expect if a person maintains per the factory recommendation?

I dont recommend legacy car manufactures until they can become more profitable. Or unless someone doesn't mind the vehicle depreciating quickly.