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[NY Times] ‘My Memory Is Fine,’ a Defiant Biden Declares After Special Counsel Report

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  1. rocketsjudoka

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    Where do you think Biden has pushed the boundaries of the Constitution and abused his powers?

    If anything he seems to have shown more deference to the Constitution than some recent presidents at a cost to his agenda.
     
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    He was given the task because he’s a capable prosecutor and because Garland doesn’t even want to give the appearance of favoritism towards the President.
     
  3. basso

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    have you been paying attention?

    Biden can't
     
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    a poorer, if, purer place.

    #SondheimFaints.

     
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    99ers are the best
    They are jealous again
    Cause we always make them eat Crowe


     
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  6. Kim

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    I was referring to Newsom any DeSantis. What popped up in my mind was both punishing speech that they didn't like: dissenting covid views and woke stuff. They're 2 sides of the same coin.
     
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    Every president pushes the boundaries. FDR battled the supreme court and won the war of attrition by a landslide. It's the nature of executive branch. At least it is real choice in the direction of the future. This election means essentially nothing beyond which also-ran dies in office.
     
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    Neither Biden nor Trump should be running.

    My only saving grace about Biden is that he surrounds himself with a strong group of people that can help lead versus Trump trying to surround himself with only yes men.

    It is what it is. Biden has a great team. Trump does not.
     
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    This goes back to the essential question of whether a paper weight is preferable over a fascist and yes. The answer is always "yes".
     
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    Every presidency is an administration. Reagan viewed the job as mainly appointing the right people and letting them do their job. While Carter was criticized for trying to do everything.

    In Trump’s case he did appoint some good people and in many instances they restrained him from doing things that were unconstitutional and / or unethical. Trump has now called those people disloyal and promised to appoint people who will not restrain him from doing his worst.
     
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    A national abortion ban sounds really bad but I guess this special counsel editorial leaves us no choice but to go along.
     
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    This is somewhat true, and FDR is one of the more revered presidents in history. That stated, I would think the vast majority of MAGA would hate him. Well, MAGA has no real principles, so maybe FDR would work, but like 90% of hardcore conservatives would hate modern FDR stuff. They would call him a Commy, and that's much closer to accurate than modern day name-calling. Most 20th century and beyond presidents have pushed boundaries of power, not all. Many would argue Reagan pulled back, Carter was wimpy, etc. Most presidents before the 20th century did not push boundaries, except for like Johnson, Lincoln, Jackson and a couple of others.

    While I agree that this election is between two also-rans on the downside to their mental peaks, Trump is a much larger danger to democracy. It's not like american democracy works for everyone though, so, I get the frustrations out there. Trump is not the solution though, and tearing up the Constitution to make things better for some, while making a bunch of people just feel better, is not great for the long-term health of this country.

    But back to the original point. Newsom and DeSantis both suck, if you care about representational government, the Bill of Rights, and working towards compromise to help everyone. They're good at pushing boundaries, punishing opponents, and playing to their bases. I wouldn't want either. Wouldn't mind Haley.
     
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    Biden has serious dementia. Anyone that has had a relative with dementia can see it. Trump is headed towards it as well, but is obviously not as far along. Neither should be President. I fully suspect that the democrats will run someone other than Biden. There is very little hope that the poll numbers will improve for him. They will get worse. Unfortunately, Trump will be the Republican nominee. I don’t think he could beat anyone but Biden, Kamala, or AOC. The Democrats are in very precarious situation and should take action very soon so they will have time to Marshall their forces before the election. It is truly unbelievable that this country can’t provide two better candidates then these extremely dangerous and unqualified candidates.
     
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    Or charge Biden with the crime of willful mishandling of classified docs. Lie about his memory being bad and charge him. It's not as bad as Trump, but it was still a crime. Or be truthful about Biden's memory and don't charge him.

    Trump should be in prison, but Biden shouldn't be president, and we're going to chose one of them, lol.
     
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    FDR example was just a point to counter your exclusion based on executive government pushing boundaries.

    If you like Haley, whatever that's fine also. I thought our war hawk invade them all and perpetual war tendencies were over but at least that's some choice people can make.
     
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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-bi...rats-2024-election-19126919?mod=hp_opin_pos_1

    A Tipping Point on Biden’s Decline
    Will Democrats continue to ignore the growing risks of the President’s mental frailties?
    By The Editorial Board
    Feb. 9, 2024 at 6:58 pm ET

    Democrats have been reassuring themselves that President Biden’s cognitive decline is no obstacle to his re-election, but perhaps this week will be a tipping point. Special counsel Robert Hur’s report about the President’s failure to recall basic facts of his life and Mr. Biden’s multiplying public lapses are ample reason for urging him to withdraw from the 2024 race.

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    Mr. Hur’s account of his five-hour interview with Mr. Biden opened a rare window on the President in private. His account exposed what many Americans have suspected based on Mr. Biden’s many public misstatements and faltering physical presence. He couldn’t recall which years he was Vice President or even when his son Beau died. He said an ally in the Obama Administration’s debate over Afghanistan was on the opposite side.

    Democrats are raging against Mr. Hur, but they should be grateful. Mr. Biden’s mental frailty is one reason Mr. Hur offered for not presenting the President’s document-mishandling as a criminal offense before a jury. His report is also forcing Democrats to confront the political reality that Mr. Biden’s decline could re-elect Donald Trump.

    Mr. Biden compounded the damage with his performance in a rare 13-minute press appearance at the White House on Thursday night. He was angry and snappish. Worse, he confused Egypt’s President with Mexico’s in relation to Gaza, of all places. He also created a problem for Egypt’s President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi by saying he had to be persuaded to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza.

    This followed Mr. Biden’s confusion in recent days over the names of German Chancellors and French Presidents he had spoken to. These episodes are more frequent, and they are typical of someone with a failing short-term memory. Episodes and names from the past fill the void of recent events he can’t recall.

    Such decline is part of the human condition, and it’s not Mr. Biden’s fault. But what is his fault is telling the American people that he can capably serve another four years as President.

    The fault also lies with those in the White House covering for him. He rarely gives one-on-one media interviews. He declined the typically softball affair of the traditional pre-Super Bowl interview. The White House staff doesn’t trust him to make a sustained public case on critical issues such as aid to Ukraine or Israel. Mr. Biden’s public appearances are typically scripted. And when they aren’t, Mr. Biden tends to confuse a Mitterrand with a Macron, or a Kohl with a Merkel.

    The voters can see this, which is why even most Democrats tell pollsters they doubt Mr. Biden is up to another term. A majority of Americans in the latest Harvard CAPS-Harris poll say a vote for Mr. Biden this year is really a vote for President Kamala Harris because Mr. Biden won’t make it through another four years.

    This is dangerous politically for Democrats, but it’s also a grave risk for the country. The world is as dangerous as it’s been since the 1930s, with U.S. adversaries on the march. This would be challenging for a young, vigorous leader. It’s perilous for a President who will be 82 years old before a second inauguration and who is already showing visible signs of failing memory and lapsed concentration.

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    The ritual Democratic response to date has been that there is no alternative: Mr. Biden wants to run again, his wife, Jill, also wants him to run, and no one can stop him. But that’s only true if no one tries. So far only Rep. Dean Phillips has dared to speak the truth, but the politics would change if others began to say in public what they say in private.

    A Biden renomination isn’t assured until a formal vote at the Democratic convention in Chicago in August. There’s not enough time for other candidates to get on enough primary ballots. But if Mr. Biden were to announce his retirement after a single term and free his delegates to vote their conscience, there would be a wide open race for the nomination.

    Ms. Harris would run, but she wouldn’t have a free path. Expect others such as California Gov. Gavin Newsom and Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer to get in. They would compete not in a national primary campaign but for the votes of 3,934 convention delegates.

    The left would try to nominate one of its own, but most Democratic delegates understand power well enough to want to win. It’s possible they could rally behind a rising Democratic star like Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro. The attention of the world would be on the Democratic race, with genuine political excitement. Republicans would have a far more difficult challenge than beating an old man with a 40% approval rating.

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    Easing out an incumbent President carries risks, but hardly more than pretending that voters will ignore what they can plainly see. The main question is whether Democrats who can make a difference will continue to ignore reality, fingers-crossed, and pray that Mr. Biden doesn’t have an even larger pratfall in the next nine months.

    Appeared in the February 10, 2024, print edition as 'A Tipping Point on Biden’s Decline'.


     
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    libertarian should idolize FDR. Because the other choice would be not to hear the scrams and cries of laborers to the point re start a communist revolution.

    FDR saved America from Communism.
     
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