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ClutchFans Game Thread: Rockets @ Pacers 2/6/2024

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Feb 5, 2024.

  1. invocux

    invocux Member

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    He is not a point guard he's a small forward. He doesn't have handles to be a point guard but he has an incredibly high bbiq, good post moves and he's strong as ****. He will be a much much better version of Tate.
     
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  2. Tankeio

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    Then i guess we have no chance cause this team is not outscoring teams on a nightly basis.
     
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    .Right.
    Turner scored 7/16 matched up on Sengun. He and Jabari played the most minutes tonight. 7/16 is 43% On two of Turner's threes, someone left their man unguarded underneath, Sengun switched to prevent the pass. Miles was open, got the ball and made it. Not excuses. That match up was even. Don't know why the usual haters are bent out of shape. There is much room to grow.


    For me, terrible plays were the complaining and not getting back on defense that happened twice for Alpi. Those are the ones that you can't excuse. The rest will come.

    And before someone says, bro, guards do the Billy Jean to the basket! Have you not watched an nba game the last 8 years. We all need Jabari to take an even greater leap next year. He will be the key and Amen on the defensive side.
     
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    Imagine in the playoffs where they single you out and they put him on a guard. He will be drained by halftime
     
  5. invocux

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    Nah they are both terrible. I'd rather us have 4 men on the floor.
     
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  6. Joe Rocket

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    The Rockets community is the most toxic community Ive ever seen. Im starting to realize that you can be a fan without engaging with the community. My happiest time being a Rockets fans was be for the forums and reddits and twitter/x. I cant say I see anyone here having fun talking to other Rockets fans. Seems like you all hate each other and the team so why keep doing it?
     
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  7. hlmbasketball

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    I don't think you're understanding. With a lineup of Adams, Jabari, Tari/Brooks, Green and Amen. The defense will be even better than what we saw tonight but they will faster offensively.

    Similar to the Grind House teams in Memphis but playing at a faster pace. Memohis liked to slow it down and.play defense, however the Rockets will be faster.
     
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  8. OremLK

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    I think it's easier for a point guard to stay on the court as a non-shooter than a wing these days. Amen's lack of shooting is less of a problem for spacing when he has the ball at the top of the key and is always a dangerous threat to drive.

    His ballhandling will be good enough to play the point. He just needs to gain more consistency with his handles. It's always more of long-term thing with taller point guards.
     
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    It would be a shame to lose you…it’s always fun reading your takes even if we have differing opinions on certain players. You are totally right in that it can be mentally draining to engage with the online community, but I think that just means you take your Rockets fandom seriously—and that’s all any team can ask for.
     
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  10. chenjy9

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    Problem right now is we have no shooters on the floor outside of Cam and Holiday and neither of those guys play D.
     
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    Yes, we badly need more shooting on the wings.
     
  12. daywalker02

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    Holiday shot 100% ....dang.
     
  13. roslolian

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    CF has become extremely toxic since the Rox started the tank job, I've had better discussions in the Rox sub reddit. Lots of people just want to complain and willingly put blinders on just so they can talk smack about FVV, Stone, Green and now even Sengun apparently.

    Sengun has 1 bad game suddenly he doesn't deserve to be the Rox no 1 and he a scrub who is boring to watch and a defensive liability lolwut.
     
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    What? He is a point guard, he been a point guard since junior high. The more he plays in the NBA his handles will be better. We did not have a summer league and only played 30 NBA GAMES so far. He is a elite point guard with elite passing and elite size, his handles will be better….we only concern with his shooting
     
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    It was a sub-par game for Alperen Sengun, period.
    But it was not Alp the reason the game was lost. The game was lost between 31st and 40th minutes. 26-8 run for Pacers.

    Instead of focusing what went wrong a certain chorus started to attack to Sengun. One of the funniest one even suggested he was OK for Dirk type of white but not Alperen. Have a look Dirk/Alp comparison at their 3rd year.:
    Dirk, 22-23 years old, 38mpg, 21.8ppg,9.2 rpg, 2.4 apg, 47. 7fg %
    Alp: 21 years old, 32.6 mpg, 21.6 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 5.1 apg, 52.4 fg %.

    Nearly identical, Alp is better for assists and fg percentage, Dirk is better for 3pt percentage and Sengun produced same/better numbers playing 15% less than Nowitzki.

    So, if someone says he is OK for the first but not the second it shows a direct discrimination. Dirk example is just an excuse not to be called "racist" but jury can easily understand the intention.

    I am happy that Alp playing for the team I support but an Eastern Coast team would be much convenient for his success and player&supporters chemistry.
     
  16. leebigez

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    Since Yao, there have been alot of only fans vs fans. If you like a player, you're only fans,but if you critic, you're against.
     
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    Welcome to Bidenomics
     
  18. daywalker02

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    Dudes taking things too seriously.....
     
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    That is also my thinking, why only limit him to be a PG, he can handle multiple positions in this age of positionless bball.

     
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  20. Downtown Sniper

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    I feel for you.

    Imagine watching games and thinking Sengun's defense is trash.

    This is deja vu of the Silas years all over again.

    With the perimeter letting every single player go right past them and apparently Sengun is the only guy in the league who is meant to stop his man, the guy in both corners plus the guy penetrating unimpeded.

    You know what's funny with how bad a defender Sengun apparently is, it's a recurring trend throughout this entire season so far that when he sits, teams have an extraordinary ability to begin getting a large dose of easy buckets right in the paint immediately following.

    This game was absolutely brutal to watch. The defense was putrid from nearly everyone. Amen though is going to be a flat out star, it's quite jarring honestly watching him play defense - as a rookie - and already being lightyears ahead in understanding angles and the intricacies of defense, meanwhile Jalen Green has had multiple years in the NBA with all the time in the world to study and watch game tape, and still is absolutely atrocious in every single aspect on the defensive end.

    As said, nearly everyone was disgusting defensively this game. But Holiday for example is not some supposed god-send so we don't pick his game apart like Jalen Green's game. The Jalen stans are going to hate this post.

    This talk about how he's improved. Give me a break. Harp all you want about improvement, who the hell cares when he is still so god damn awful defensively.

    It is insane the amount of drives you see Jalen trailing by half a metre or more from his man with the ball who has gone right by him with no resistance.

    His defensive IQ is zero, and there's not even any exaggeration there. He does not know how to do a single thing on the defensive side of the ball.

    He doesn't know how to position his body when a player has the ball. He doesn't know how to move when he knows a screen is coming. Seriously watch him on the perimeter when a pick is coming his way, it is absolutely hilarious how much exaggerated space he gives the ball handler by going so far around the pick than necessary. Fighting through screens is a concept that's never crossed his mind.

    He is absolutely putrid defensively game after game after game, and if he's not scoring in the 30s he isn't contributing more points than he is giving up most nights.

    How many times does his player go right into the heart of the defense and kicks it to a now wide open man because another defender had to leave his man to help Jalen - made bucket. Yet this doesn't show up on the box score as being scored on Jalen, even though he is the sole reason it happened. Countless times.

    Even with a game marred with the standard smorgasbord of errors on the defensive end by Jalen, these two plays really typify exactly who he is as a player, and show exactly why he shouldn't be part of the future of this team and proves exactly why his points are always meaningless and don't ever contribute to sustained success and winning.

    5:47 left in the third quarter - Siakam swings the ball from one side of the court to the other to find Haliburton open on the 3 point line with Jalen Green the closest Rocket who is maybe four steps away from him - the flight of the ball getting to Haliburton plus Haliburton catching and shooting gives more than enough time for Green to cover that gap and contest. But contesting this shot is an effort and hustle play which doesn't show up on the box score, so of course this isn't something Jalen Green will do. Instead it is left to Holiday to sprint across from the opposite side of the floor - more than double the distance away from Haliburton than Green was - to contest the shot. Bang. Haliburton made three.

    4:35 left in the fourth quarter - Brooks misses a three and the ball bounces roughly to the middle of the free throw line with Jalen inside the key and Haliburton outside the opposite side of the key slightly further away from the ball than Jalen is. Getting this loose ball - in winning time no less - is an effort and hustle play so of course this isn't something Jalen Green will do. Since Haliburton makes an effort to get the ball he scoops it up and goes full steam down the court, Green can only muster a little more than a jog trailing behind the play. Haliburton pulls up just inside the perimeter and doubles back to get behind the arc, Green meanwhile runs directly past him and into the corner..... not a single Rocket was on Haliburton to make Green think he had to pick up another man. Instead, running directly past him Haliburton says wtf, seriously? And shoots the three. Bang. Made bucket. Then Green has the audacity to throw his hands up like someone else made a mistake by leaving Haliburton there to shoot.

    I also found it amazing when the Pacers had brought the deficit all the way back to just two points, so the Rockets call a timeout. Play resumes with Jalen inbounding from the baseline. Jalen, inbounding from the baseline. How in the world is a turnover even on the cards. He finds a way though.

    B-b-b-b-but he scored a lot of points he was soooo good!!
     
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