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Jae'Sean Tate is a BIG PROBLEM

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Sengun, Jan 10, 2024.

  1. Sengun

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    First of all, I have to say that I like him, but he has no place on a team that aims to win.

    He is undersized. This is the most important problem because when a player who stands out with his defense cannot defend the other player, there is no point in him playing.

    He has no contribution to spacing. And especially lately, I don't understand why he's waiting in the corner like a corner specialist. If this was Ime's idea, it's a disaster. The man cannot shoot and nobody does not need to defend him and that's usually why Sengun gets double team everytime lately.

    After Tate benched out of tonight, Rockets performed better and became more active on the court. Sengun scored 25 points and most of the time when he was at the post, Bulls didn't double-team him (they couldn't risk Whitmore's shot).

    Tate also does not fit into the Rockets' future plans due to his age. I don't understand why he's still here. But I'd rather see anyone instead.
     
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    I think that Cam is ready to take Tate's minutes. It's the one positive that I took from this game. Udoka finally sees it. Teams just aren't guarding Tate at the 3 point line. And he's not making up for it defensively. He should be a 10th or 11th man on this team. I know that Ime loves his hustle, but we need more skill at that position on both ends.
     
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  3. Newlin

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    Tate is not the problem. He is who he is. Coach Ime is the one who makes the lineup and decides on rotations. I think Tate has done well playing with the second unit, especially paired with Tari. So, Ime just needs to do better on the lineups. I know having both Brooks and Tari out has caused problems.
     
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    KMJ and Tate were the most positively discriminated players in the last 2 seasons. KPJ was given keys but he had some talents yet. Not this duo exactly.KMJ gone, Tate next.
     
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    the master of the 4-point play! 3pt shooter fouler
     
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    Tate doesn't even need to be on the roster when Brooks and Tari are healthy. They make him completely irrelevant.

    If he isn't traded for a backup C by Feb 5th, I think most of us will be surprised.
     
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    You simply can't play more than 1 non-shooter in the NBA.

    You play Alperen and 4 shooters. Simple as that. If you can't shoot you can't play.
     
  8. Aruba77

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    Tate is all heart and he has some versatility. He’s a good role player. But unfortunately Dillon, Tari and Cam are much better. There just aren’t minutes for Tate. It’s time to move him.
     
  9. New Jack

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    Tate would be a better fit on a team that has a super duper star like the Mavs, Bucks, Sixers, etc. that would only need him to play defense, hustle, and hit the occasional 3. I could see him thriving on a team like that. The way our team is constructed, we really need 5 offensive threats on the court at all times.
     
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    To be fair, Tate is a 13th guy on most contenders......mainly because he is already 28-29 and hard to get much better.
     
  11. Houston77

    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    Tate is a role player and is paid like one. If he's been overused or used incorrectly, that's not his fault.
     
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    BIG PROBLEM is generous.

    more of an undersized problem.

    :p
     
  13. Hank McDowell

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    Tate is not the issue. Tate as a starter because of injuries IS an issue. I love the dude and want him on my roster all day long, but not as a starter. He's a role player. Every team needs role players.
     
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    He is not the issue but the Rockets made him the issue because they cannot trade or sign better players than him, Landale and Bullock.....

    Jeff and Holiday are barely hanging on as well.

    The Inability hurts....

     
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    He is not big problem
    He just isn't fit this team anymore
    I think the big problem is that we need back up C badly
     
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    With Brooks and Tari healthy, Tate shouldn’t even be a rotation player IMO.
     
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    I'd rather have tried KJ Martin's defensive potential on this team, than going with Tate again. Even KJ could pretend to a be 3 point threat better than Tate. And be like a poverty man's Aaron Gordon playing with Sengun. Even coulda had him as filler in a Tate trade. But thats behind us. Anyway... Yes its very apparent Tate should never start. He's a 10th man at best. He's actually ok on defense for this team but zero on offense. Rockets have other needs at his spot.

    The only current internal option at 3 is starting Uncle Jeff at 4 and Jabari at 3. Or starting rookies Cam or Amen at 3. Amen continues the shooting issues at 3 and no backup to FVV, so big Cam it is. Get well Tari & Dillon
     
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    No it's not, it's the line-ups, what he's asked to do and starting. Tate is a great guy off the bench, who can be that guy to lead fast breaks for the second unit. Run with Amen, Cam - tho he hopefully gets the nod to start soon to see how he handles it - and Aaron.
     
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    I agree we can move him but the criticism is off base.

    He takes only 2 types of shots: 3's and shots at the basket. That's what you want from your role players. He finishes well at the basket. As far as 3pters go, he's a barely decent corner 3pt shooter which is all we need when he doesn't have the ball. We're doing a weird thing where we have him in his weaker corner shooting 22% (4 of 18) - this will normalize because he has always been better than that in the corner. On the opposite corner he's 6 of 11. This shot diet is perfectly acceptable for a good defender and passer.

    He has an almost 3:1 assist to TO ratio and he's not a PG.

    He plays good defense at the 2/3. I get it, he's not amazing. But he can objectively be called a good defender. When we have him guarding 1, 4 and 5's he's not as good. Who's fault is that? Mostly Landale's fault I would say. When healthy we have no minutes for him at the 2/3. We are giving him minutes as 4/5 a lot and yes of course he's not going to be at his best when he's out of position. He's 6'4.

    Again, I do think it may be time to move him but he is a good player and we will get a decent return because of it. On a team where the scoring is taken care of and the defense can't afford to pay as much attention to him, he's going to make a contender very happy. Can see him fitting on Miami, Boston, Lakers, Nuggets, Kings, Mavericks, Suns, Philadelphia, Milwaukee as an excellent rotation player for 20-30 minutes. His percentages would improve if he's playing with 1-2 max-worthy scorers.

    I would try to trade Bullock, Landale and Oladipo (for a PF/C) before trading him. Even if Tate doesn't get minutes when Tari is back and Cam is still cooking, his attitude and effort is something I like to have around the team and his contract is easily tradeable/waivable/extendable.
     
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