1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Bill Simmons: “In the whisper circles, everybody seems to think he’s going back to Houston.”

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaBeard, Mar 6, 2023.

  1. Corrosion

    Corrosion Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    8,930
    Likes Received:
    11,379
    Teams can transition from under the cap to over the cap and use the full MLE so long as they do not surpass the apron. It has nothing to do with cap space during the FA period.

    As for Draymond, he may be a poor fit, I was more or less throwing the numbers out there to show what could occur.
     
  2. riko

    riko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2014
    Messages:
    9,634
    Likes Received:
    16,083
    Top two free agents to to pair with Harden would be

    Harrison Barnes
    Kris Middleton

    then you spend the MLE and whatever on additional bench reinforcements like shooters .
     
    NewAge likes this.
  3. carl_herrera

    carl_herrera Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2023
    Messages:
    367
    Likes Received:
    814

    That is not the case. A team loses the NT-MLE, BAE, trade exceptions, and potential disabled player exceptions if they have more cap space than those exceptions combined at the beginning of the league year. That’s pretty much what “operating as a cap space team” means.

    You’re getting this confused with the distinction between the NT-MLE vs T-MLE. That distinction doesn’t matter to us, we can’t use either.

    See #26 here. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q26

    Why else would the room exception exist?
     
    #303 carl_herrera, Mar 9, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 9, 2023
    joshuaao likes this.
  4. gumbleton3

    gumbleton3 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2009
    Messages:
    2,136
    Likes Received:
    652
    I'm not convinced Harden won't mail it in if he gets a fat contract in Houston.

    Not to mention, I don't like having the bulk of the offensive responsibility handed to a 33 year old and not one of our youngsters. Say for example, we draft Scoot, Harden handling the ball most of the game is going to hinder his, Sengun and Green's development.
     
    Mathloom and kjayp like this.
  5. OremLK

    OremLK Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2010
    Messages:
    16,119
    Likes Received:
    10,334
    If Harden was interested in going to LA I believe we would have heard some rumbling of it. As far as I can tell there hasn't been a single recent rumor pointing that direction. Where there's smoke there's fire, stars rarely sign somewhere without them at least being in the conversation on the rumor mill.

    Also, I think it's worth pointing out that his motivations don't have to be either "win a championship" or "screw around and do nothing". That's needlessly reductive. He may want to come back to Houston for personal/business reasons that don't have to do with winning a title, but it doesn't mean he plans to slack off as a basketball player. If for no other reason than becoming known as a lazy, crappy player who mails it in would be bad for his brand.

    He's always been into partying and having a good time, but it hasn't stopped him from being an elite player for the last 10 years.
     
    HakeemOnlyFan, joshuaao and riko like this.
  6. br0ken_shad0w

    br0ken_shad0w Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2006
    Messages:
    1,758
    Likes Received:
    302
    Have a feeling Rockets are more likely to overpay some mid player instead. Get ready for FVV or DLo (if Kyrie decides to bolt for LA).
     
  7. carl_herrera

    carl_herrera Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2023
    Messages:
    367
    Likes Received:
    814
     
  8. carl_herrera

    carl_herrera Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2023
    Messages:
    367
    Likes Received:
    814
    If the bulk of offensive responsibility is on our youngsters next year, we will have a bottom 5 offense. Same is true on defense. I'm not down on our young guys, that's just the level our guys are at compared to the league. We're 29th in both this season.

    I get that there's an argument for continuing to just let all our young guys get the maximum number of reps.

    But realistically, Stone (and Tilman) have committed to changing direction and being significantly better on the court next year. We have the room and don't have our pick for three years. If the Rockets don't show real competitive improvement next year (like, win 30+ games), Stone will likely lose his job IMO, and he knows it.

    So this team is going to use the resources available to them do the opposite of what you're saying and escape having a bottom 5 offense and defense -- take the bulk of offensive and defensive responsibility and give it to players who are presently good at it at the NBA level.

    That means a primary initiator / playmaker (like Harden, maybe FVV?) and a big who can be a defensive anchor (Draymond? Grant Williams? trade for Capela?). The remaining young guys will develop around that baseline level of competence.
     
    joshuaao, topfive and riko like this.
  9. riko

    riko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2014
    Messages:
    9,634
    Likes Received:
    16,083
    I think it’s either here or he will stay in Philadelphia . The only other team he might bolt to is Miami given Butler is one of his tightest friends but they have No capspace
     
  10. DaBeard

    DaBeard Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2017
    Messages:
    2,994
    Likes Received:
    8,229
  11. riko

    riko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2014
    Messages:
    9,634
    Likes Received:
    16,083
    The only realistic options that have the necessary cap space and the needs next year are the Rockets, Philadelphia and possibly the Lakers
     
  12. roslolian

    roslolian Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    Messages:
    24,461
    Likes Received:
    14,746
    Why would Sengun be gone?

    Sengun center, Wemby PF Jatari is the sf.
     
    cml750 and fchowd0311 like this.
  13. roslolian

    roslolian Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    Messages:
    24,461
    Likes Received:
    14,746
    Does Harden being in Philly hinder Maxey?

    Old Harden is different from MVP Harden. MVP Harden was stats hungry and would shoo away Cp3 so he can collect all the pts and asts. Old Harden is more content to be a facilitator and playmaker.

    If Harden comes back then Rox just ripped off Nets and played them for a fool, basically gave up rights to their pick for the next decade for 2 seasons of Harden and and the right to pay Ben Simmons his max salary.
     
    riko likes this.
  14. Shaq2Yao

    Shaq2Yao Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2006
    Messages:
    8,520
    Likes Received:
    16,942
    Wow. Harden coming back to Houston is getting real!:eek:
     
    riko likes this.
  15. Salvy

    Salvy Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2009
    Messages:
    18,827
    Likes Received:
    29,361

    I feel a new swag championship coming to Houston in 2024!!!!

    [​IMG]

     
    J.R. likes this.
  16. Salvy

    Salvy Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2009
    Messages:
    18,827
    Likes Received:
    29,361

    I feel a new swag championship coming to Houston in 2024!!!!

    [​IMG]

     
    cheke64 likes this.
  17. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2010
    Messages:
    47,749
    Likes Received:
    36,671
    The more I think about it the more I believe that Wemby complements Sengun really well because he covers the few flaws that Sengun currently has. Wemby is a good switch defender so no more drop coverage and he spaces the floor on offense.
     
    roslolian and Deckard like this.
  18. Tfor3

    Tfor3 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2007
    Messages:
    19,739
    Likes Received:
    22,733
    I stopped reading at ‘whisper circles’
     
    Rolliepollie likes this.
  19. riko

    riko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2014
    Messages:
    9,634
    Likes Received:
    16,083
    A lot of things indicate at the very least the Rockets are at worst 50-50
     
  20. kingjosh

    kingjosh Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2010
    Messages:
    331
    Likes Received:
    79
    No way.

    The rockets traded a still near his absolute prime MVP calibre player in Harden. He was still dominant for the Nets in his first season there, and really the Nets had two really good chances to win a championship that were derailed due to injuries and then later Kyrie.

    Just because those picks are starting to look better now, shouldn't detract from how risky that trade package was. The rockets didn't get any young prospects back - no SGA, no Mikal, no Ingram etc.
     
    snowconeman22 and HP3 like this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now