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[Official] Astros Off Season

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Nov 7, 2022.

  1. Rockets34Legend

    Rockets34Legend Contributing Member

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    Right you are. Relief pitching comes and goes season to season. Some are consistent more than others. Many have 1 great year. Who knows maybe something really clicks for him a an Astro and he becomes a regular here. It cost basically nothing for a look.
     
  3. vince

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    Perhaps sour grapes that the Astros got good production from Greinke and didn’t need to go through the rollercoaster of Beer and Bukaiskus.
     
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    it was a comment someone (maybe Daryl Morey) said when Chandler parsons signed that big contract with Dallas
     
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    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Sometimes, weird is very effective for short periods. Like the Greinke's 50 mph pitch.
     
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    It was DM. I was one of the ones that wanted Chandler signed.
     
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    Get it done, Morey
     
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    How does the extension signed by Luis Castillo compare to what Framber should get? Castillo signed away 1 year of Arbitration and 4 years of FA at a bargain of 5 years $108M for his age 30-34 seasons. The Carlos Rodon contract may be a better example but he was a FA at 6 years $162M

    Framber will be a FA at age 32, would we nullify his 2023 salary to spread the contract out by an extra year? He's maybe a tick above Castillo but the age I think brings them closer in value. But I would expect the breakdown to be 7+15+20 for his arb years ($42M) and then $25-30M per for his 3 FA years. So $150M to me sounds a little high given the 3 remaining arb years.

    6 years $120 - $135M is what I'd expect.
     
  10. Marshall Bryant

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    How to get to $150M?
    2024-2025 $30M Total for remaining Arbitration years ($12M $18M or $11M $19M)
    2026 (32) $30M
    2027 (33) $30M
    2028 (34) $30M
    2029 (35) $30M

    or
    2026-2029 (35) @ $25M/yr with a $20M signing Bonus ($10M each in 2023 and 2024) and Team Option for $25M in 2030 - no buyout.

    6 year $25M AAV with team option for a seventh year.
     
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    Really like the shift in philosophy to get more aggressive locking up core pieces to extend the dynasty. Felt confident to contend/be WS favorite through 2024…now if this continues 2027 seems realistic.
     
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    I can't pull the trigger on Valdez at 150 million unless it's a long contract.

    It's roughly 42 million over the next 3 years and then you'd have to give me 5 FA years to get to 150 million. 5 yrs at 108 million. That I could live with.
     
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    Give framber $140 million and a lifetime supply of peanuts
     
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    If he's Blake Taylor with the ability to locate he's probably pretty good
     
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  15. Marshall Bryant

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    Let's see:

    2022 $3M ( avoided Super 2 Arb)
    2023 $6.8M (This is his current Contract to avoid Arbitration 1)
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    I believe we will keep him under his current contract for 2023 rather than roll in with an extension since we are nearing the cap and still have other extensions. There is great value in staying under for one more year, even if we eventually go over. It's what LAD are doing now. Resetting the penalties to avoid the harsher rates for consecutive years over cap.

    So any extension at this point will probably not incorporate this year if already under under Contract. It's normally a good idea if you expect to have cap room this season. Tucker, for instance, would probably extend beginning in 2024 after his $5m arbitration award for 2023 if he agrees to extend. A signing bonus would easily avoid any conflict if we wanted to pay him over for 2023 without incorporating his current contract.

    This changes as soon as we calculate we will go over the cap when separating the contracts out have no benefit from deferring additional penalties.

    Just an outside the box idea:

    I am wondering if you can extend beyond the current contract and have a series of future contracts which do not change existing AAV? For instance, signing Yordan to an extension for 2029 in 2023; 2030 in 2024 etc so you continue to limit future risks to 6 years for each year he has a good season. It is a compromise with taking on contract risks for over 6 years. Just extend the 6 years worth of risk annually as long as he is productive.
     
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    Yep. Taylor throws a little harder, but his main problems are location and only one pitch to throw to RHBs.
     
  17. Marshall Bryant

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    I had to track back the original post to see that we acquired the lefty. Thanks for the posts.
     
  18. Marshall Bryant

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    I wonder if the quirky movement with the low spin rate comes from some action like the knuckle-ball? I haven't even seem an old fashioned straight knuckle-ball pitcher for a while. The closest is a knuckle-curve call.
     
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    I now assume it is happening
     
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