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Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by gucci888, Sep 26, 2022.

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2nd rounder at best. By far their best offensive player outside of Bryce.

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2nd rounder at best. By far their best offensive player outside of Bryce.
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He’s a 1st round talent but he’ll go in the 2nd because he’s a running back. Might not be another player on offense take. Until the 5th round if at all. This is the worst Alabama team I’ve ever seen talent wise. Bill o brien as the offensive coordinator doesn’t help either.

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Need Gibbs or Achane in this draft as well

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Cmon now Young is not "generational" sheeesh!

54 held like a MFer on that play BTW!

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Bryce Young, Alabama
The reigning Heisman winner, Young is an electric playmaker with a dual-threat skill set and an incredible feel for the game. He’s got almost everything that NFL evaluators are looking for at the position, combining a strong arm with accuracy, poise, and out-of-structure genius—but he does come with a pretty critical catch: He’s small. Listed at 6-foot-even and 194 pounds, he falls well below traditional size standards at the position, even when compared to a guy like Kyler Murray, who checked in at 5-foot-10 and a thicc 207 pounds at the 2019 combine. Still, I’m not convinced that Young’s lack of size will completely scare off teams in the draft. He’s just so damn good.

A former five-star prospect out of Santa Ana, California, Young was rated as the no. 1 dual-threat quarterback in the country and no. 2 overall player in his class, per 247Sports. He wasted little time in living up to that prospect rating, leading the Crimson Tide to a National Championship Game appearance in his first year as a starter (2021), throwing for 4,872 yards, with 47 touchdowns and just seven picks, in that campaign while adding three scores on the ground. He’s played exceptional ball again this season, throwing for 2,234 yards, with 19 touchdowns and four picks, in eight starts, chipping in an additional 147 yards and three touchdowns as a runner.

Young has a live arm and throws with a quick release, showing the ability to drive passes to the sideline and whip accurate throws on the move.

One big question he’ll face is whether his lack of height will limit his ability to attack the middle of the field. That’s been an issue at times for shorter guys like Russell Wilson and Jalen Hurts, and could cap his effectiveness as a passer. But Young has certainly flashed the ability to hang tight in the pocket, wait for routes to develop, and push the ball down the middle. His ability to synthesize routes and coverage show up on these throws.

Young has Jason Kidd–like vision, and that’s even more apparent on his out-of-structure plays. He has the athleticism to scramble and pick up yards with his feet, but he’s always looking to create big gains with his arm first. He has a good feel for pressure, eludes rushers, and keeps eyes downfield even when moving outside the pocket. He can reset his feet or make off-platform throws. And he has even sprinkled in a few plays where he almost looks like a point guard driving to the hoop and drawing the defense in before throwing an alley-oop to the guy downfield.

Young shows creativity in and out of the pocket to escape the rush and keep plays. That ability showed up big time against Texas, when he avoided what may have been a game-sealing sack with 35 seconds left, ducking under a defender before running for a first down. Alabama hit the game-winning field goal a few plays later. If I had to guess, Young’s probably never lost a game of tag.

If you’re looking for negatives, Young’s deep accuracy can be a little hit-or-miss. He has a tendency to fall away from throws in the face of pressure. And he might be off a handful of teams’ draft boards altogether because of his lack of size. But I think that’d be a mistake; Young has many of the traits that are required to play the position in the NFL, and he possesses the talent to mitigate his height disadvantage.
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C.J. Stroud, Ohio State
Stroud is probably going to be the top quarterback on a lot of teams’ boards. He combines good size with a big arm, surgical accuracy down the field, and elite passing production. A Heisman finalist last year, Stroud took over as the team’s starter and threw for 4,435 yards and 44 touchdowns with just six picks, leading the Buckeyes to a Rose Bowl win over Utah with a truly absurd 573-yard, six-touchdown performance.

A former four-star prospect who was rated as the no. 2 pro-style quarterback in the country by 247Sports, Stroud has a strong arm and throws from a wide, balanced base with a quick, over-the-top release. The first thing that jumps off the tape is his ability to drive a gorgeous, laser-beam deep ball down the field, which is frequently on display in Ohio State’s aggressive scheme.

It’s not just that Stroud has a strong arm, though. He shows the ability to put the ball on a dime at all three levels, frequently dropping a pass in where only his target can get it or leading his receivers away from defenders and into open field.

Stroud is a pocket passer with a good feel for how to avoid the rush. He senses pressure but keeps his eyes downfield, and has shown he can beat the blitz or make a throw with a pass rusher bearing down on him. In the first play below, when the defense brings an all-out blitz, he expertly attacks the vacated area in the deep middle of the field. In the second play, he gets a throw off down the seam despite pressure in his face.

The redshirt sophomore can throw with anticipation, releasing a pass before his target has made his break. He understands how to manipulate coverage with his eyes, holding a safety to one side before unleashing a pass in the other direction. And while he’s capable of picking up yards with his legs, he always keeps his eyes downfield when extending plays. His first priority is always to throw, and he’ll even run parallel down the line of scrimmage to try to let routes develop before taking off. He anticipates where his targets are going to be on scramble drill plays and flashes the ability to make something out of nothing when the play breaks down.

Stroud’s smooth demeanor in the pocket can be a double-edged sword, as he plays with an almost robotic style that isn’t as effective when structure breaks down. He seems to predetermine throws at times and will let a pass rip into coverage as if he can’t see the defenders—sometimes leading his intended targets into massive hits. He frequently takes an extra hitch before throwing and will need to work on eliminating that crutch at the next level. And while he can scramble, he’s not a true dual threat.
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https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2022/...ss-breakdown-bryce-young-cj-stroud-will-levis

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2nd rounder at best. By far their best offensive player outside of Bryce.
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He probably falls to the top of the 2nd, like Hall, Walker did last yr.

He's a 1st rd talent though.

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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...s-will-levis-as-four-passers-go-in-top-6/amp/

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1.1: Will Anderson - premier pass rusher potential in the Von Miller mold
1.13: trade back for a package of a late first, a second and a third or 2 seconds and a third
Late first/early second: Darnell Washington - nasty in line blocker with speed and agility; a matchup nightmare in the red zone
SRP1/2: Eli Ricks - CB to play opposite Stingley for the foreseeable future
SRP2/3: Rashee Rice - underrated WR with potential to follow in the recent footsteps of other SMU wideouts
3rd: Cameron Ward - a gamble on a toolsy QB but not such an investment that QB is off the board in the 2024 draft
3rd: Mazi Smith - NT body and strength with DE athleticism
3rd: Andrew Voorhees or Cooper Beebe - IOL help in the form of a road grader.
4th: Blake Corum - an MJD type back to spell Pierce for 10-15 carries a game.
Rounds 5-7: Height/weight/speed prospects for special teams bolstering

I believe you could walk out with 3 more building blocks such as these on Defense, the pieces to create a nasty rushing attack on offense and a possible steal at QB and WR if the draft broke this way. I am not pro scout of course but from everything I have read none of these projections are insane or unreasonable I dont think.

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1.1: Will Anderson - premier pass rusher potential in the Von Miller mold
1.13: trade back for a package of a late first, a second and a third or 2 seconds and a third
Late first/early second: Darnell Washington - nasty in line blocker with speed and agility; a matchup nightmare in the red zone
SRP1/2: Eli Ricks - CB to play opposite Stingley for the foreseeable future
SRP2/3: Rashee Rice - underrated WR with potential to follow in the recent footsteps of other SMU wideouts
3rd: Cameron Ward - a gamble on a toolsy QB but not such an investment that QB is off the board in the 2024 draft
3rd: Mazi Smith - NT body and strength with DE athleticism
3rd: Andrew Voorhees or Cooper Beebe - IOL help in the form of a road grader.
4th: Blake Corum - an MJD type back to spell Pierce for 10-15 carries a game.
Rounds 5-7: Height/weight/speed prospects for special teams bolstering

I believe you could walk out with 3 more building blocks such as these on Defense, the pieces to create a nasty rushing attack on offense and a possible steal at QB and WR if the draft broke this way. I am not pro scout of course but from everything I have read none of these projections are insane or unreasonable I dont think.
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I'm with you 1000% to try to come out the draft with Anderson and Washington.

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Did Will Anderson’s stock slip? I know mocks are worthless but almost all have Bryce #1

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Did Will Anderson’s stock slip? I know mocks are worthless but almost all have Bryce #1
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Sure it’s based on need.

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Did Will Anderson’s stock slip? I know mocks are worthless but almost all have Bryce #1
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Naw they just believe we will go QB

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Naw they just believe we will go QB
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Lets hope so

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Lets hope so
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I want Anderson first then use some ammo to trade up for Bryce

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Looks like Carolina will win which puts them at 3 wins

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Seen them all... I don't want no mfking defensive play maker at this point. We need QB1.

Young would be my pick at #1. You take the chance, that's all you can fkn do!
Young and Metchie reunited

Levis---
I don't like how people compare him to Josh Allen, even though I see flashes of athleticism and the arm strength in him-
Forgive me, I am having a PTSD episode simultaneously... Thinking of someone drafting the Future Hybrid of Brock Assweiler and Ryan Mallet.

Stroud-- Reminds me of another Trey Lance- Why don't I want him? He is from California. You never draft people from California, because they will always want to play in California. Simple. I see a little more EGO in this amigo as well...

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