[Official] Evan Mobley as a Cleveland Cavaliers thread

What makes you think Mobley is the lead dog in Cleveland?

I like Mobley however post ASB all 5 of the top rookies have performed at around the same rate, Cade, Mobley, Barnes, Green and Wagner. Moaning and groaning that we "missed out" doesnt make any sense considering Green is much younger than these guys and still performing at around the same rate. The whole alpha complaint is just wrong given Mobley is a quiet player to begin with and on court majority of his shots are created by Darius Garland, 65% of his 2 pts and 95% of his 3 pts are assisted he is literally being fed majority of his pts.

If you want a better alpha than Green that would be Cade, not Mobley.

 

In addition to that, Green actually has the highest amount of unassisted 3FGM for any rookie with at least 25 minutes played (35% unassisted), and 7th among rookies in 2FGM% unassisted.

If we look at number since February 1st, Green (25 games played) is not only the leader among rookies in 3PT made, but he also continues to lead all rookies in unassisted 3PT makes. He averaged the most 3PT attempts among rookies, and is top 5 among all rookies in 3PT% (with at least 3 attempts per game, and every rookie that shot better than Green during this period is also taking far fewer shots).

During this same 25 game stretch, Green is 2nd among rookies in PPG, with a near elite TS 58.5%.

In fact, the most impressive thing is despite how poorly Green started out the season, his TS% for the season is actually the same as Mobley's TS% since February 1st, even though by position PFs/Cs average TS 57-61%, with guards averaging around 54-55% instead, and Mobley also has 70% of his shots assisted.

Also, since Jarrett Allen's injury (10 games), Cavs have a defensive rating of 118.6 (10 games), which is even worse than the Rockets for the season. When Mobley was injured and Allen was healthy (which was 8 games), Cavs still maintained a top 3 defense in the league at a defensive rating of 106.6.

People severely underestimated how big of a difference a better team has been for Mobley. Much of the defensive contributions, which was anchored by Allen, has been instead credited to Mobley instead.

 

Mobley’s last 6 games

9 points
11 points
13 points
12 points
27 points
13 points

That’s 13 points or less in 5 out of 6 games.

Factor in the Cavs defense has gone in the toilet without Jarrett Allen and you have to at least consider the fact that although Mobley is going to be a very good player, possibly even the great player some have already proclaimed him to be, he was becoming a little overrated at this point early in his career. Jarrett Allen seems to impact winning basketball more than Mobley right now and that’s ok, Evan is a rookie. He’ll get better.

 

So you're saying two healthy All Stars have more impact than a normal rookie?

Mobley has been a really good rookie. But his "impact" has been overblown by most due to him playing next to the likely MIP in Garland and All Star level center in Allen.

If either him or Barnes had gone to the Magic or playing next to Kevin Porter Jr absolutely no one would have them in discussion for RotY.

 

Also worth noting that JG is 8 months younger than Mobley.

Mobley is a 25% three-point shooter and a 67% FT shooter as of this moment. I wonder how long they are going to push him to operate as a Forward. Reallllllllllly difficult to win in the NBA these days with a 3/4 that can't shoot. I see you Big Sean Tate, Jesus Christ buddy.

I think both JG and EM will greatly benefit from some NBA powerlifting in the offseason.

 

what happened to the Mobley gang? Tag those mother****ers.

 

I know i keep saying this in this damn thread, but the Rockets rookies especially sengun loved playing against Mobley.

 

I'd give Mobley the benefit of the doubt that he is a good/great defensive player. But if he is to be a superstar, like some posters were so sure about earlier, he needs a better offensive game. You can't be a franchise player by just being good at defense. You have to be elite either by scoring or playmaking.

It is much easier to find defensive specialists to cover a star's defensive deficiency than to find an elite offensive player to cover for a so-called star's lack of offensive impact.

 

“No other rookie impacts winning as much as Evan Mobley has in Cleveland, and he’s done it on both ends of the floor,” the executive told HoopsHype’s Michael Scotto. “If you consider where the Cavaliers were a year ago compared to this season, you see why he is touted to be the best player in this draft class and why the Cavaliers have made such a huge leap this season. At seven-feet tall, he has all the tools to become a generational talent. Combine his statistical season and Cleveland’s run into the postseason, there is no doubt he should be named NBA Rookie of the Year.”

 

Hasn't impacted winning since JA went down, that's for sure.

Still, going to be a damn fine player.

I wish we could have had both, but forced to choose, I still like Jalen going forward.

 

I feel like Mobley were head and shoulders above most rookies in the beginning. But since all star break most of the top 5 have caught up with him.

He will still win based on his consistent first half, but doing forward there's really not a gap between him, Barnes, Cade and Green. I would even put Giddey and Wagner very close tok

 

this whole draft is going to be a problem. I feel like we are going to look at this draft picture in the future and wonder how so many stars come form one draft.

 

Even Sengun. Guy is soooooo young. Can't put a ceiling on how good he *could* be...

 

Yeah 2021 clsss is gonna be one of the deepest drafts ever. The top end doesnt even come close to 1984 or 2003 class, but the amount of good players in this draft beats those classes imo.