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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Surfguy

    Surfguy Contributing Member

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    I hope Russia faces years of terror amid a Ukrainian insurgency. Send some extremist Muslims in there for jihad. The Taliban still has grievances for when Russia invaded Afghanistan.
     
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  2. deb4rockets

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    Personally, I don't blame any American President, regardless of party affiliation for some Dictator abroad invading countries and killing innocent people to take over their government The blame goes on the perpetrator of the crime. If an American President sided with that same evil person, then I would have a different attitude. To side with evil is in itself evil.
     
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    I honestly feel for the people of Russia too. This is all on Putin. The people are his payday. If they speak against him they are killed. Power is what drives him. The only difference between a man like him and Trump is that Trump can't kill those who speak out against him in a Democratic Nation. I'm sure he would love to have the power Putin wields on his people.
     
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    Canada and the USA had us energy dependent until joe Biden and his stupid green energy agenda made my cost of living jump by nearly 50% compared to orange man bad

    I’m never buying a Tesla, no matter how high gas prices get. **** green energy
     
  5. jo mama

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    wow! how did your cost of living go up 50% and how was that due to bidens green energy agenda?
     
  6. rockbox

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    Tulsi is hot but I think Hillary Clinton was right. She's been bought by the Putin.
     
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    I hope we isolate them into oblivion. Financial, cut their internet, etc.
     
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    What a dumb post, jfc
     
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    My favorite bizarre fan fiction is the one that paints Trump has some international tough guy who helped preserve the global order lol.
     
  10. Surfguy

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    Ya'll, Trump would have never let this happen and only happened because the election was stolen. ;) ;) ;)
     
  11. deb4rockets

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    I suggest you get more informed on how prices have gotten to the point they are around the world since the pandemic. Facts do help. The article below might actually enlighten you.

    https://prospect.org/blogs/tap/inflation-and-price-gouging/
     
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    And we are again since he took over on 2-2-22.
     
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  13. FranchiseBlade

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    Yes, it's very strange seeing that theme.

    Let's just examine how tough Trump was.

    Trump:
    • withdrew from the open skies treaty.
    • took Putin's word over that of the U.S. Intelligence community. This is the same U.S. intelligence community that has been correct on every step regarding the Russian invasion of Ukraine.and publicly stated that
    • Praised Putin's invasion plans and strategy as recently as days ago
    • Weakened our connection with allies during his term in office. It's these same allies such as German that are delivering the most damaging measures against the Russian economy at this point.
    • Belittled NATO. The same NATO that Putin mentioned as his one stated demand in making deals with the U.S.
    • Was in favor of allowing Russia back into the G7(8)
    • Cancelled joint military maneuvers with South Korea at the behest of North Korea and eded up totally getting played by Kim Jong-UN
    • Defended Putin's murders by deriding the United States
    • Did nothing to stand up to China and saw our trade deficit with the balloon under his presidency.
    • Based aid to Ukraine on their willingness to lie and put out propaganda about fellow American citizens and political opponents.
    You would be hard pressed to find anywhere Trump was tough on foreign policy except in his dealings with America's own allies.

    It is fine to criticize Biden's handling of the situation. But his handling of it is far tougher and more competent than that of Trump.

    Biden:
    • Refused to give into Putin's demands about NATO
    • Worked with allies to make tougher more unified sanctions toward Russia possible
    • Publicly disavowed Putin
    • Supported United States Intelligence community.
    • Brought forward new sanctions
    It is fine to say Biden didn't do enough, but it isn't okay to claim that he was weaker than Trump in regards to Putin and the Ukraine or any other foreign policy, really.
     
  14. riko

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    This is why Israel has such a sophisticated army. It knows it can’t rely on the west incase of an all out war something the poor Ukrainians are finding out the hard way
     
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    - Pulled out Syria and gave it to Russia at Putin's request.
    - Abandoned the Kurds to get slaughtered
    - Tried to negotiate with the Taliban ON SEPTEMBER 11TH LOL
    - Eventually made a deal with the Taliban that didn't even include the Afghan government, essentially sealing that country's fate
    - Turned a blind eye to the Hong Kong situation
    - Didn't give a **** about the Uyghurs
    - Tried to block aid to Ukraine when Russia was supporting the separatists until Lindsay Graham went on Fox and said he would investigate (this was before impeachment stuff)
    - Turned a blind eye to Saudi atrocities

    Just lol at the idea that he would stop Putin.
     
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    Actually the opposite of this is true. Look at actions. Liberals are always seeking to grow government power. Look at what Justin Trudeau just did in Canada, essentially turning it into martial law for 10 days with no due process. The biggest power grab in decades. Freezing bank accounts without so much as charging people with crimes. Look at how Democrats want to control our lives with regulations. They want to lock down our businesses. They want to disarm everyone except themselves. They want to force us to take vaccines and wear masks. It's the Republicans who want freedom for all and to put power in the people's hands, not government. You are 100% backwards in your assessment. How you can't see this is mind boggling.
     
  17. Surfguy

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    Should we expect a stock market dip while Biden is speaking at 11 am cst?
     
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    A criticism of Trump before he took office was that electing him would embolden North Korea to start a war. Trump brokered peace.

    A criticism of Trump was that he was too nice to Putin. He held Putin in check for four years, something Obama couldn't do (Crimea) and something Biden couldn't do (Donbass).

    Wow it would be nice to go back to a leader who people respected. Instead we have a dementia-riddled old man who is disrespected by our enemies. Our foreign policy is a mess. Our energy policy is completely backwards. Our priorities are totally misplaced. Biden has been a complete failure.
     
  19. FranchiseBlade

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    Yes great examples. He also got walked on by the leader of the Philippines.

    It's bizarre how easily other leaders played Trump... unless those leaders were traditional allies of the United States. Because in Trump's world (and those of his followers), it's most important to stand up to stand up to friends and make sure that we defend ourselves from them not holding up their ends of bargains even if 80% of the slights were imaginary and came from Trump's lack of understanding involving the initial agreements and commitments.
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    This post makes no sense. Please tell me what peace was brokered by Trump. Trump didn't broker peace. There hasn't been an end to the Korean War. Kim Jong-Un played trump got him to back out of joint military maneuvers with our ally, South Korea, and didn't halt his nuclear programs at all.

    Trump enabled Putin withdrew from treaties just as Putin desired.
     
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