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Women run over and killed by Self Driving Uber car

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  1. Commodore

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    While true, that's a difficult pill to swallow for the family of the person who is run over.
     
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    Block Chain will build up trusted transactions between machines, and distrust among humans. Chaos ensues.
     
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    From the reports, it said she crossed outside of a crosswalk. Whether she did with ample time for the car to stop is unknown. The person behind the wheel of the car has yet to speak out, but I'm still leaning towards it being an unavoidable accident regardless of the car being driven/driverless.
     
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    The car has cameras and allegedly some reports are saying the pedestrian stepped out right in front of the car.
     
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    I want my hoverboard and flying car
    @moestavern19 what's the timetable on self walking ai?
     
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    Agreed - the big problems with driverless cars are:

    1. Liability. With regular cars, you can hold the driver liable for doing stupid stuff. Do car companies want that liability on them for software going haywire or making bad decisions?

    2. They are still easily fooled by circumstances. A stop sign that has stickers on it, windy roads with limited visibility, adverse conditions, etc.

    3. They can't make ethical decisions. This seems like the hardest one to fix. Let's say you're going to get in a wreck. You can either go forward and hit 1 person, swerve left into potential oncoming traffic and create who-knows-what problems, or swerve right and hit 2 people. How does the car make those kinds of decisions?

    Until those are resolved, I don't see how driverless cars work.
     
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    I was not paying 100% attention to the news, but I thought I saw this morning that she was crossing in front of the car going left to right. She had already crossed other lanes of traffic. That she did not just step off the curb in front of the car.
     
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    Realistic solution is that all driverless driving should be done underground. Second, all cars should be driverless. This has all kinds of benefits.

    Or, we could just ban walking. In which case Patrick Ewing would be in for life imprisonment.
     
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    This will drive us into war with the molemen, but I for one, would welcome the break from hearing about Iraq.
     
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    Who's going to jail?
     
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    Somebody has got to go to prison Ben.
     
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    You really can't even see her until she's right in front of the car. The woman had no awareness of her surroundings wearing all black and not looking for cars. Hard to blame the car/driver on this one.
     
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    They work, just on a very small scale... maybe local, maybe certain highway only... at least initially.

    There are other issues

    - Before it can be massively deploy, you need bullet proof security, or at least the appearance of it (otherwise, the public, government wouldn't accept it).
    - These will be electric car, so need wide availability of charger station (probably there by the time these are ready).

    For liability. One idea is a fee base centralize payment system. The thought is driverless car will drastically (almost eliminate) accidents. But it will happen and when it does, it could bankrupt any single company (that $2 sensor from company Z was faulty). These rare event can be handled by some small fee for each car and that pool of fee is used to pay out damages.

    Being "fooled" will be resolved with technological advancement. Learning and sharing of that data (get scary) across the fleet of smart connected driver-less cars (get even more scarier) is one path where it can improve with "accidents" and with time.

    Ethical decision. It is hardest, if it is to have ethics. Why does it have to have one? It could be, for example, alg to cause the least amount of damages. How you define that is up to human.
     
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    KITT would never do this. :mad:
     
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    unlikely any human can prevent this

    likely, future AI car can prevent this (infrared sensors to see in the dark, for example)
     
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    I am very sorry she died, but the lady walking the bicycle used unbelievably bad judgement. Just wow.

    Driver should have been paying better attention.

    Why didn't forward facing radar detect this far before the collision?
     
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    That's totally the fault of the lady - I wonder (as was mentioned) why the radar didn't see her. That really would have been her only chance because no human would have seen her in time.
     
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    Damn. So this woman was jaywalking across a highway at night, wearing dark clothing and not even looking for oncoming traffic. And as a result we now have this whole segment of people that have a renewed opposition to self-driving cars. Really unfortunate.
     
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