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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by tmacfor35, Oct 20, 2016.

  1. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    Jesus Christ dude. The DNC can favor whomever candidate they desire over another candidate. They are a private organization. Both parties have done this and they have always done this. Every election cycle, RNC and DNC heads have their favorites. Stop with the naive idealism.
     
  2. ipaman

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    Absolutely can do whatever they like and so can wikileaks if they get leaked info.
     
  3. Space Ghost

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    Its sad that you think this is ok. This defies the logic of a democracy. Special interest groups pour money into both 'private organizations' and they essentially get to pick who runs.

    What do you not understand that 'anybody but Hillary' could destroy Trump? This should bother you that the powers want Hillary this bad.

    But instead, you and everyone else continue to bury your head in the sand and chant "Anyone but a Republican". This country has become so divided that nothing productive gets done.
     
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  4. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    Yay! More boring emails that amount to nothing that we already know. Putin gotcha right where he wants. 'Useful Idiots'.
     
  5. fchowd0311

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    I don't care about your false outrage. That's what I don't care about. How do I know it's all false outrage? 90% of you voted for politicians as 'status quo politician' as Hillary and now coincidentally you care? Sure if I state NOW that the Bush's administration deleted several magnitude more emails than Clinton you would state "Ya, Bush sucks too. All politicians suck." But did you state that in 2007? What suddenly made you care so much? What changed?
     
  6. ipaman

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    folks who delete thousands of emails when they shouldn't are useless idiots
     
  7. Invisible Fan

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    It's really up for the public to disseminate information.

    Political influence aside,I don't like the way either machines are run.

    Dc isn't a happy place to live if you touch or service anything political. I'm a bit sick of getting desensitized to this garbage because neither party can't self police each other to be more like normal human beings.

    Rove, Luntz, and the whole McCain primary mess seems to be forgotten by the nutters, so it has to be said that both parties should be held to a better standard
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    ^^Dunning-Kruger Effect in full swing here folks.
     
  9. JuanValdez

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    @TheresTheDagger, you mean in that 2000 election that he won? Maybe they should have whipped it out a little earlier. Besides that, early voting has become more common since then.

    Anyway, we'll see what they do. I've still be terribly disappointed in their ability to deliver something impactful though.
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    I needed to specifically retort this.

    "Anyone but a Republican"? Are you serious? Is that the narrative that you really want to go with. Pretty much half of HIS OWN party acknowledges that Donald "I have no ****ing clue how a bill gets made into law" Trump is one of the biggest joke candidates in U.S. history.

    This isn't "anyone but a Republican". This is "anyone but Trump". McCain winning did not make me legitimately fear for the future of this country.(barring a McCain death and Palin presidency... yes, that would be frighting) Romney winning did not make me fear for the future of this country. We have prominent GOPers debating whether the freaking American system of checks and balances can survive 4 years of a Trump presidency as if it's a forgone conclusion that this idiot would be like a 15 year old adolescent male running the country.
     
  11. Space Ghost

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    I have been very clear on this topic. I am not concerned about the deleted emails. I have also stated electronic policy and enforcement was extremely lax during the first decade. The government cracked down on this behavior post 2010 and she still continued to do it. She then denied. Then lied. Then apologized.

    Quite frankly, it wouldn't be that big of a deal if servicemen were not going to jail for doing less.

    I am not suggesting she should go to jail. She should be held accountable and her voters should be upset. Instead its, "oh shes not Trump, so we will give her a pass".

    The reality is 70% of the voters are going to straight ticket regardless of how terrible their candidate is. Both parties know this. The corruption lies in the parties, not the candidates.

    We have been regulated down to voting for the less of two evils. Unless you think Hillary is the best person for the job, you should use your vote to send a message to your party and tell them to do better. If Trump is as bad as some as you think, maybe we do need him for 4 years so we can all get our collective heads out of our asses and start nominating better politicians.
     
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  12. fchowd0311

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    So the pundits are right. This is more about throwing a brick through the window of the establishment and driving away. That's careless thinking. A lot of damage can be done by a man with the nuance of a 15 year old in terms of how the government is run. This man thinks we can send 700 James Bonds with black turtlenecks and sneak into Mosul. That's the extent of his military mind. He has the mind of a adolescent teenager. His nuance in how the military is run is limited to common troupes propagated by franchises like Call of Duty.

    And I actually disagree with your sentiment that Trump's success in this election cycle is due to the 'evil establishment'. I'm going to be frank, but most Americans live in their own bubble(yes at times including me). When it has been shown that a large portion of Trump supporters have been BETTER OFF economically under the last 8 years of Obama, it's hard to find any credible reasons to assume what they assume in that another 4 years of Obama type policies is going to 'destroy this country'. There obviously is something else at play and that is the advent of 24/7 news cycles, and hundreds of online outlets for news that hardly ever is vetted which results in millions of Americans living in their own alternate reality bubble of how horrible or great the world around them is.
     
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  13. JeffB

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    Russia is determined to undermine confidence in this election:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-documents-idUSKBN12Y2WY

    FBI examining fake documents targeting Clinton campaign: sources

    The FBI and U.S. intelligence agencies are examining faked documents aimed at discrediting the Hillary Clinton campaign as part of a broader investigation into what U.S. officials believe has been an attempt by Russia to disrupt the presidential election, people with knowledge of the matter said.

    U.S. Senator Tom Carper, a Democrat on the Senate Homeland Security Committee, has referred one of the documents to the FBI for investigation on the grounds that his name and stationery were forged to appear authentic, some of the sources who had knowledge of that discussion said.

    In the letter identified as fake, Carper is quoted as writing to Clinton, “We will not let you lose this election,” a person who saw the document told Reuters.

    The fake Carper letter, which was described to Reuters, is one of several documents presented to the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the U.S. Department of Justice for review in recent weeks, the sources said.

    A spokeswoman for Carper declined to comment.

    As part of an investigation into suspected Russian hacking, FBI investigators have also asked Democratic Party officials to provide copies of other suspected faked documents that have been circulating along with emails and other legitimate documents taken in the hack, people involved in those conversations said.

    A spokesman for the FBI confirmed the agency was “in receipt of a complaint about an alleged fake letter” related to the election but declined further comment. Others with knowledge of the matter said the FBI was also examining other fake documents that recently surfaced.

    U.S. intelligence officials have warned privately that a campaign they believe is backed by the Russian government to undermine the credibility of the U.S. presidential election could move beyond the hacking of Democratic Party email systems. That could include posting fictional evidence of voter fraud or other disinformation in the run-up to voting on Nov. 8, U.S. officials have said.

    Russian officials deny any such effort.

    In addition to the Carper letter, the FBI has also reviewed a seven-page electronic document that carries the logos of Democratic pollster Joel Benenson’s firm, the Benenson Strategy Group, and the Clinton Foundation, a person with knowledge of the matter said.

    The document, identified as a fake by the Clinton campaign, claims poll ratings had plunged for Clinton and called for “severe strategy changes for November” that could include “staged civil unrest” and “radiological attack” with dirty bombs to disrupt the vote.

    Like the Carper letter, it was not immediately clear where the fraudulent document had originated or how it had begun to circulate.
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  14. Space Ghost

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    Now Hillary is claiming the election is rigged?
     
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  15. JeffB

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    No matter which candidate wins this election, Putin won. He succeeded in doing in the United States what he has done in eastern european nations: casting doubt on the legitimacy of the electoral process by backing right-wing parties and electoral interference. It really doesn't matter if Clinton or Trump wins from his perspective. Through hacking, Wikileaks, Trump playing along (likely out of ignorant hubris), the ****ing FBI, and now fake documents a week from the election, Putin has planted the seeds of doubt regarding the legitimacy of western democratic elections. (For references: google is your ****ing friend)

    I personally feel the GOP was well along that road without his assistance, but Putin, Brietbart, Trump, Rudy "911", et. al just put the icing on the cake. Voter suppression was a decade in the making. FoxNews was already established as a propaganda network. CNN already was led by Zucker. Anti-intellectuamism and the new political correctness of not being "political correct" already conditioned much of the public to be receptive to the message. But this year just took the cake in terms of putting dog whistling aside and just going full-on neo-Jim Crow.

    We have a political party steeling itself to absolute stalemate and blockade of process (especially regarding the Supreme Court (google it)) to ensure their political rivals don't realize their mandate. This is America. The United ****ing States. This should not happen here.

    Yes, Putin succeeded in undermining the democratic process in Europe. But he shouldn't succeed here... But he has. And because tribal partisanship and nativism/white-supremacy/Clinton hatred/revenge against a black presidency.

    The United States is supposed to be a representative democracy arguing about what shade of capitalism molds our society. Not a nation "this close" to rule by fascism and political junta. All we need now is LaRouchies to suddenly become politically relevant.... then we are on our way to some Orwell ****.

    You. Can't. Make. This. Stuff. Up.
     
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  17. Space Ghost

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    You're clueless. Putin did not nominate the three extremely poor candidates. The American people and their respective parties did. Quit playing Russia off as the boogyman.

    Trump
    Clinton
    Johnson
    How much worse can you get for an combination of the three?
     
  18. SamFisher

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    He did it becuase the GOP, even the non visibly crazy, and the media helped him do it, because they thought they could benefit.

    Time for the reasonables to leave the GOP, and time for the media to stop treating them like a serious political party.
     
  19. Nook

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    What? You mean that some of the leaks from Russia to wikileaks are doctored and altered?

    Wow, it is almost like Russia is purposely trying to influence the election and is leaking to his intermediary (wiki) false information?

    But that cannot be the case.... I know that the REPUBLICAN Vice Presidential nominee said that Russia is behind the leak, and all of the US intelligence agencies and Marco Rubio say it is Russia..... but it isn't the Russians, because - well Trump says it isn't.. that is just a carefully crafted cover used by Hillary Clinton.
     
  20. SamFisher

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    It's not just Trump, it's BBS computer forensic experts like @Granville @Space Ghost and @Cohete Rojo who have blown apart this malicious accusation.
     

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