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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by JuanValdez, Jan 10, 2018.

  1. Exiled

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    aside from social-econmical factors , I think most Minorities including Blacks don't have access to Specialists, mis/under diagnosed,and the other important factor: FDA approvals is based usually on conducted studies mainly on Whites due to demography , new researches and medical trials nowdays even worse as they are taking place like 80% or most of phase I,II in Russia for obvious cost cutting.
     
  2. JuanValdez

    JuanValdez Contributing Member

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    Showing increased morbidity and mortality rated from racism makes is not abstract. I think that is the thing that struck me about it and made me start the thread. Not abstract; real and measureable.
     
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  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    There are no examples.

    The study says black women are dying sooner. It must be racism. We know racism exists therefore it's racism. It's very unacademic as a matter of fact

    Not criticizing you. I just find that very unsubstantial.

    Edit: the condition of black poverty is stressful due to obvious reasons. Not saying racism doesn't exist but black crime, family structure, etc are easily measurable variables that we know are more significant in the black community
     
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    Money. I bet if these women had more money they would be evicted less and be able to afford proper medical attention.
     
  5. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I understand the study is trying to say these women would have more for example money without racism.

    Black poverty is a situation of our history but it remains in place due to a cycle only we can break.

    @Rocket River

    Your denial is disrespectful to the black women who have been carrying us for the past eighty years with lack of sufficient help from us men.
     
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  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Not to overkill this subject but one of my issues on Facebook is black women who are clearly bothered a lack of black men.

    This same women also believe the negative statistics surrounding us are a conspiracy.

    I'm like if so many of us are murdered or in jail the numbers start to matter.

    Instead of denial force more black men to be responsible
     
  7. JayGoogle

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    Whataboutism again.

    This thread isn't about fatherless homes. Stop this whataboutism stuff.
     
  8. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    It should be about fatherless homes
     
  9. JayGoogle

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    Whataboutism is lame, I'm really tired of trying to discuss an issue and hearing "But what about...." all you are trying to do is put aside the issue at hand when really both can be addressed and neither ignored.

    With that said, fatherless homes is mostly a thing that is pretty complex because it counts single 'unmarried' woman as fatherless. My mom did not marry, I have had a father all my life. The fatherless stats do not seem to really dive into complexities of how some families are and ignoring the racism you also hurt the thing you seem passionate about.

    For instance, some black kids are fatherless because their dad is in jail for weed...something blacks get arrested for at higher rates than whites despite using it at the same rate. In this way, racism can AFFECT the fatherless homes you are concerned about.
     
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  10. Invisible Fan

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    Nah man...we're not talking about the injust criminal system that disproportionately sends blacks to jail over non-violent crimes. We're talking about fatherless families in a thread about weathering! Stay on the derailed topic! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Anyways, I can't say much about weathering. I have a deep distrust over complex blanket topics like this that can be easily correlated with the kitchen sink through gamed p-values. Part of that deep distrust is that acknowledging if it is actually true doesn't cause any actionable or acheivable answers to said complex issue.

    It would be understandable if it happened though. I mean if being poor causes inherent health issues, then people taking the brunt of our flawed racial hierachy that culture, society and the workforce tacitly agrees upon could show response over an "environmental condition".

    That said, the "environmental condition" is an artifact of American society rather than a genuine human response. We have holocaust survivors or people coming from dirt poor uhh... shitholes who have a greater outlook on life than rich pampered trust fund babies who had the worst day of their lives when they had to go down on a celebrity rather than taking selfies with said celebrity to make her friends and frenemies extra jelly...

    ...Which doesn't invalidate anything, as the inhabitants of American society shouldn't be whattabouting what is ideal or present in other cultures and instead should be picking up the responsibility to do things that would actually better it rather than paralyze through inaction in order to deepen a rotten status quo.
     
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  11. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Would you agree or disagree that if blacks improved family structure statistics it would dent poverty statistics.

    How does study meseure racism on a second topic

    Edit: there aren't people doing ten years for weed. Crack sentences were more cause it destroyed communities

    You didn't have drive by shootings over powder cocaine
     
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  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Just like there is a concrete measurable difference in mortality there are concrete measurable difference in family statistics.

    There is no concrete measurable variable of racism in this study.

    In discussing problems of poor blacks you can't ignore obvious measures of obstacles such as graduation rates.

    You can't then say it's racism causing low graduation rates with no evidence.

    Black men don't exit homes because of racism and weed convictions as ridiculously suggested in this thread
     
  13. Rocket River

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    He is a Russian bot at this point

    Rocket River
     
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    I mean you can keep on repeating this without zero data or evidence. It really isn't going to sway anyone who requires some sort of backing off evidence so why bother posting it?
     
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  15. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    That black men exit homes? There hasn't been anything to dispute that
     
  16. JayGoogle

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    And you can discuss these issues in another more relevant thread, this thread is about racism and the stress it can cause.

    I don't care if there isn't a way to measure racism, there wasn't a way to measure racism in the 1940s either, would you do your whatabout then?
     
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    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Of course he would, and I don't even know who you're talking to. In 1940, he would have had real fascism to support, real eugenics in play. It would have been heaven for him.
     
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  18. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    And this isn't Jim Crow 1940

    Black women mortality and family structure are very relevant to each other if it's the main difference between black and white everyday life
     
  19. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    The funny part about a post like this is in your sarcasm you're basically admitting it's not 1940 and there on things like race the world has improved greatly
     
  20. ipaman

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    The story and ideas are bullshit, has nothing to do with race. Look beyond race and you'll find being poor is not conducive to a prosperous, healthy, long, life. Weathering as an "idea" is bunk because in a universe where majority faced racism from minorities, the majority would face "Weathering" which makes the idea of weathering as connected to minorities ridiculous. Replace it with a different, new, revolutionary idea..., don't be poor or your life will be ****.
     

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