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Trump's EPA pick will make Obama regret his environmental overreach

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Dec 9, 2016.

  1. MojoMan

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    Here is an excellent article at 'The Hill' about Trump's agenda at the EPA and the wisdom of selecting Scott Pruitt for the purpose of executing that agenda. Just a brief quote below to wet your appetites, but the rest is just as good. If you are into this topic, I would encourage you to read it.

    This article is written by Patrick J. Michaels, who is currently the director of the Center for the Study of Science at the Cato Institute. Michaels was formerly the president of the American Association of State Climatologists and was the program chair for the Committee on Applied Climatology of the American Meteorological Society. So it is written by a climate scientist with some pretty good credentials.

    To quote from below: "Fasten your seat belts, for we may be about to witness the scientific-cat fight of our time."

    As the article points out, the climate temperature data and the models have been adjusted to achieve predetermined results, which is truly shocking. The government under Obama has aggressively funded a huge amount of research that supports their remarkably unscientific and partisan AGW agenda and has been funding the authorship of papers on this subject.

    Donald Trump, somewhat to my surprise, appears committed to cleaning this mess up straightening out this outrageous situation. Scott Pruitt is an excellent choice to do that. Like the article says, expect the establishment AGW interests to go well and truly berserk, as the funding they get from this politically motivated boondoggle is truly massive.

    I am surprised to see this piece published at 'The Hill'. While I would characterize the Hill as somewhat left leaning, in my opinion it clearly tries to be one of the more conscientious and responsible traditional media outlets on the internet these days. However, because of its left/establishment lean, an article like this which openly speaks about and recognizes the corruption of the AGW alarmism racket is unusual, to say the least.

    In fact, if this was published by a right-leaning website, many on the left would characterize it as "Fake News" for daring to defy the left's politically correct stance on the subject of Man-Made Climate Change.

    It is a good article. However, don't be surprised if 'The Hill' is bullied by the leftists into taking it down later.
     
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  2. dmoneybangbang

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    More hot steam and nothing substantial that has been said. Do you know what fake news even is?

    I'm not sure what mess you and your ilk are referring to? Did we not become one of the largest producer of oil under Obama after many decades of being a net importer of oil? Are we not constructing some of the world largest's petrochemical plants along the gulf coast to take advantage of the cheap energy and feedstocks needed in many industrial processes? Have we not built new auto manufacturing plants in Texas and the South over the last decade? Have we not increased our electricity generation over 8 years?

    What mess are you and your article referring to? How the world dictates coal demand and the world has decided coal is on its way out?
     
  3. dmoneybangbang

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    Sounds like those who prefer not to have mining waste, like heavy metal leeching, will regret Trump's pick.
     
  4. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    The Earth is going to regret Trump's pick.
     
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    He gets money from some interesting parties...
     
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    Nah, the Earth isn't going to care one way or the other. I doubt it's even paying attention.
     
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    When your kids and grandkids start growing deformed extra limbs and eyes.......You will regret Trump's pick.
     
  9. sirbaihu

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    The author compares understanding climate change models to cracking the Nazi codes in WW2: global warming believers as Nazis, how cute. MojoMan loves that Nazi dance. . . . I submit that the global warming skeptics are stupid if they think the current models are as hard to understand as the Enigma code.

    Author links to himself about "predetermined results." Here's what's at that link:

    Hm, so either all the climate modellers [Nazis?] are secretly conspiring . . . or else they are so good at modelling that they get the same answer. You decide which sounds more likely. The author thinks it is a scientific conspiracy. Though he does admit:

    So even the author agrees that warming will occur.

    He thinks that global warming Nazis are motivated to get grant money. At the same time, he writes that fifteen states filed lawsuits against the EPA. We know, these lawsuits by fifteen states also reflect a lot of money motivating people like the author to gird their loins and prepare to confront the Enigma code of global warming models!
     
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    Pruitt understands the role of the EPA should have little to do with science and everything to do with administering the law.

    Science is for setting policy, which is not the purview of the unelected EPA.
     
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    John D. Rockefeller approves.
     
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    Who gives a ****? That's their problem to solve.
     
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    EPA follows the policy of the administration... seemed the obama administration believes in pollution and climate change which is reflected in policy.

    EPA will revert back to the Bush Jr era where its budget is cut and it won't be taking pollution and climate change, especially the latter, seriously.
     
  15. JuanValdez

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    @Commodore, again, it is the role of agencies to set regulations.
     
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    It's so strange to see people still debate global warming and thinking it's uncertain that it won't have a major impact or that it's not already having an impact on climate. We've already screwed up the polar regions and we're seeing cold air move southward in winter (as predicted by climate models).

    I understand people don't want regulations. Fine - don't regulate. I am not for regulations. But don't deny the science to support a political cause. At least respect yourself.
     
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    This would be incredibly funny if it weren't so incredibly scary.



    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/anthony-scaramucci-global-warming-flat-earth-theory

    “Look, I know that the current president believes that human beings are affecting the climate. There are scientists that believe that that's not happening,” Scaramucci began, before Cuomo interrupted him.

    “The overwhelming consensus in the scientific community is that man's actions have an impact on science,” Cuomo said. “You have to correct that whenever it comes out. Go ahead.”

    “Chris, there was an overwhelming science that the Earth was flat,” Scaramucci responded. “And there was an overwhelming science that we were the center of the world.”
     
  18. Commodore

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    the overwhelming consensus for decades was that saturated fat causes heart disease

    oops

    The left/media seem to think climate change is a power political issue, despite no evidence (they think the same thing about gun control).

    Politicians are not principled, they respond to their voters. Until say, coastal voting patterns begin to change because of rising sea levels, politicians aren't going to be moved by media shaming.

    Right now voters care more about jobs and energy prices than supposed future environmental impacts. Climate change will need to be more of a present-day problem (rather than apocalyptic future predictions) for voters and politicians to change.
     
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  19. JuanValdez

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    Fortunately for the Republicans, many red states don't have coastline, and those states are overweight in their representation in the Senate and the Electoral College.
     
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    You believe the world is flat and not round. And your argument is that if the world is flat then it will cost jobs so we are better off believing it's flat and not round.


    That's not true. While the medical field embraced that, the scientific community did not ever have consensus that saturated fat causes heart disease. In fact the jury was out and is still out. You are comparing what Associations are saying about heart disease to what scientists are saying about Climate Change. The science underlying climate change is far far stronger. It goes beyond correlation and is predictive - the gold standard of what makes for what the scientific community looks for. CHD never met that standard.

    All you are showing with this post is your ignorance.

    This is so funny because it's the right and the media that thinks this is a power-political issue. It's a scientific issue. The right fears the science because they fear that it's just a pretext to regulate. The left fears the ISSUE because they are worried about the planet.

    What will get them to listen to the scientists? The ones who see the evidence for global warming and that by the time sea levels are rising it will be far too late?


    Admitting the truth of climate change will not cost anyone a job or impact energy prices other than what speculators do. The solution is not to kill jobs. The solution is to find new innovations like nuclear fusion that is actually something that will create jobs, drop energy prices, and spur a revolutionary jump in the standard of living.

    Instead, energy companies are against this because of the threat it is to them. Voters are not being told the truth. They are being sold the garbage people like you have bought into and spread. Get your stupid head out of the sand before it's too late. Don't be one of the moron's of this generation.
     

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