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Trump cabinet selections and appointments

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Nov 18, 2016.

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    This is doubly troubling... how dishonest and evil Mulvaney is, and how easily manipulated Trump is...

    WH budget director boasts of tricking Trump into slashing disability benefits by calling it ‘welfare’
    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/wh-...s-by-calling-it-welfare/#.WalWibYgddw.twitter
     
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    Another oopsie...

    Trump FEMA Nominee Withdraws After NBC Questions on Falsified Records
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...after-nbc-questions-falsified-records-n800856
     
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    The best and brightest... "a long-haul truck driver, a country club cabana attendant and the owner of a scented-candle company."

    Trump hires campaign workers instead of farm experts at USDA
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/21/trump-agriculture-department-usda-campaign-workers-242951
     
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    Despicable is the only word to describe Trump's cabinet members. Here's Betsy DeVos making it easier for college students to get raped...

     
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    The changes being made don't at all affect how easy it is to get raped, they affect the difficulty in sustaining rape accusations. Instead of using the preponderance of the evidence standard, they are returning to the beyond a reasonable doubt standard (kind of like when you are accused of rape and are not a college student). Due process is not a bad thing. I would say the changes they are making, although an improvement on the system in place under the Obama administration, are ultimately misguided. If a student comes into the dean's office (or whoever's office on campus) and is complaining of being raped, the school shouldn't be handling it at all. The student should be referred to law enforcement, the people whose actual job it is to investigate crimes. The people that have units that focus on rape cases, know what evidence needs to be gathered, know what witnesses need to be interviewed, and can ultimately refer the cases to the District Attorney so the rapist can be imprisoned instead of just kicked out of school. Would the school handle a stabbing? A shooting? Drug trafficking? Auto theft? Why is this one crime being handled by a panel of professors, a Title IX coordinator, or a dean?
     
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    The reason why more stringent enforcement and protection is needed at colleges is that rapes happen more often on college campuses than the overall rate. The rate of sexual assault on campus is 3x's the overall rate and 4x's the rate of same aged women not in college. 11% of all college students experience rape or sexual assault and 20% of all female students do not report rapes or sexual assaults (source for data is National Crime Victimization Survey by the Justice Department).

    You send your daughter (or son) off to college and the most important thing you hope that they are safe.
     
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    The problem is that having the college handle rape accusations is less stringent enforcement and protection. They are not equipped to handle violent crimes. They don't have the investigative experience to properly find the facts, nor the legal authority to mete out proper punishment where guilt is found. If a classmate stabbed another student, all the same concerns would be there re: feeling safe, being in proximity to your attacker everyday, etc. Colleges are not going to decide to handle a stabbing internally though. A rape is no lesser a crime than a stabbing not resulting in death. The people to handle it are legal professionals, not some kangaroo court on campus where the accused has no discovery or cross examination rights and the determination of guilt or innocence is made by people using a preponderance of the evidence standard. Why should we treat rape allegations less seriously than allegations of stealing an iPhone?
     
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    In correct, they immediately contact local law enforcement. What does happen is that the school is able to make a faster response, ie can immediately remove the perpetrator from the school. It also means that the perpetrator can be found guilty based on a preponderance of evidence rather than based on shadow of doubt. Which makes it more likely that a victim will come forward.

    Stabbings do not happen more often in college campus than in the larger population. Rapes and sexual assaults do. And ask a rape victim if that crime is not any more serious than a stabbing that does not result in death.
     
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    I don't think they do in every case. If they do, that should be the first and last action they take.
    Law enforcement can and does arrest people immediately on a report of rape that is supported by probable cause. Schools cannot make a more rapid response. In fact, because the school cannot do anything without a hearing, they are much slower to respond. The lower standard of proof is not a good thing. It results in innocent people being called rapists and getting kicked out of school (not to mention having their reputations forever tarnished). There is a reason criminal law uses the Beyond a Reasonable Doubt standard.
    I would love to see a source on this. From what I have read, rape generally occurs at a lower rate on college campuses than in the surrounding communities.
    I think you misunderstood my post. I am already saying rape is as or more serious than a stabbing that does not result in death. That is why we should have the most professional and experienced people investigating it and the accused having the important due process protections provided by the criminal justice system.
     
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    Get this... private email.

    Kushner used private email to conduct White House business
    The senior adviser set up the account after the election. Other West Wing officials have also used private email accounts for official business.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/24/jared-kushner-private-email-white-house-243071
     
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    SMH, the things that keep Trump cabinets members up at night...

    Zinke: One-third of Interior employees not loyal to Trump
    https://apnews.com/570c910d21be41869f76d45a2c55c359
     
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    Their jobs are to implement the laws of our nation as administered by whatever administration is in power. If they seek to undermine that administration, they seek to undermine our constitution and should be treated accordingly.

    And the 30% number appears to be a good proxy for those who are not loyal to the flag nationally, as we see playing out in anthem kneeling incident.
     
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    How does 7 flights cost 800k?

     

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