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Trump Approval at 55%! Go Trump!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocketman1981, Feb 16, 2017.

  1. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    I don't know. Trump internal meter: any decline slope is fake, otherwise, it's real. After years of only allowing self to see positive feedback, it no longer can see anything else.
     
  2. JuanValdez

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    Here's the relevant section from Yale's executive summary:

    Confidence in the President is low, and general disgust with the federal government is high. Panelists discussing the political landscape agreed that nothing has yet been proven regarding collaboration between Trump or his campaign and Russia, though if something were proven, it could constitute treason. Watergate took months to play out and it turned when there was a credible informant and recordings. In the absence of such hard evidence, several panelists doubt that anything illegal will be found. And a lesson from attempting to prosecute Oliver North for the Iran-Contra affair: avoid granting immunity.

    Journalists on the panel see an irresponsible rush to judgment by the media, which has gone too far, too fast, as opposed to taking the necessary time to engage in thorough fact finding. Still, more than 85% of CELI participants are concerned about Trump’s minimizing the Russian security mischief. Yet even if nothing is proven, the surrounding investigation has the potential to be a major distraction to the Trump administration and the country for a year or more. Beyond the Russia issue, CELI participants are disappointed with President Trump’s performance, with 50% giving him an “F” over his first 130 days and only 1% giving him an “A.”

    Quotes from panelists about Trump’s performance included:
    • “Trump has lost control of the government.”
    • “Innocent or guilty, Trump has lost control of his own management team.”
    • “There is lots to be worried about.
    • “Trump was not prepared [to lead] and is not able to execute.”
    • “Corporate leaders supported Trump but are concerned with bad management and lots are disappointed about the Paris withdrawal.”

    Despite Trump’s poor ratings among CELI participants, a researcher who regularly talks with hundreds of voters from across the political spectrum sees Trump maintaining support among his base. She divided the electorate into three groups:
    • Trump’s core (30-35%). These individuals believe that Trump is doing all that he can and is playing whack-a-mole.
    • The obstructionists (20-25%). These individuals are opposed to everything Trump says or does, and are actively resisting and obstructing.
    • The miserable middle (40-45%). This group is frustrated and annoyed by Trump, but is also annoyed by the obstructionists; they want politicians and the country to come together. Currently, this group has nowhere to turn politically, and more people are calling themselves independents. They are up for grabs.
     
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    ^Don't like reading blue text on black background.

    Would be so much easier to read if you changed the font to Comic Sans.
     
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  4. NewRoxFan

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    Here you go...

    Confidence in the President is low, and general disgust with the federal government is high. Panelists discussing the political landscape agreed that nothing has yet been proven regarding collaboration between Trump or his campaign and Russia, though if something were proven, it could constitute treason. Watergate took months to play out and it turned when there was a credible informant and recordings. In the absence of such hard evidence, several panelists doubt that anything illegal will be found. And a lesson from attempting to prosecute Oliver North for the Iran-Contra affair: avoid granting immunity.

    Journalists on the panel see an irresponsible rush to judgment by the media, which has gone too far, too fast, as opposed to taking the necessary time to engage in thorough fact finding. Still, more than 85% of CELI participants are concerned about Trump’s minimizing the Russian security mischief. Yet even if nothing is proven, the surrounding investigation has the potential to be a major distraction to the Trump administration and the country for a year or more. Beyond the Russia issue, CELI participants are disappointed with President Trump’s performance, with 50% giving him an “F” over his first 130 days and only 1% giving him an “A.”

    Quotes from panelists about Trump’s performance included:
    • “Trump has lost control of the government.”
    • “Innocent or guilty, Trump has lost control of his own management team.”
    • “There is lots to be worried about.
    • “Trump was not prepared [to lead] and is not able to execute.”
    • “Corporate leaders supported Trump but are concerned with bad management and lots are disappointed about the Paris withdrawal.”

    Despite Trump’s poor ratings among CELI participants, a researcher who regularly talks with hundreds of voters from across the political spectrum sees Trump maintaining support among his base. She divided the electorate into three groups:
    • Trump’s core (30-35%). These individuals believe that Trump is doing all that he can and is playing whack-a-mole.
    • The obstructionists (20-25%). These individuals are opposed to everything Trump says or does, and are actively resisting and obstructing.
    • The miserable middle (40-45%). This group is frustrated and annoyed by Trump, but is also annoyed by the obstructionists; they want politicians and the country to come together. Currently, this group has nowhere to turn politically, and more people are calling themselves independents. They are up for grabs.
     
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  5. NewRoxFan

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    trump's strongest support segments: republicans and people with a HS diploma or less...

     
  6. peleincubus

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    Can someone explain to me why people with degrees are less inclined to support Trump?
     
  7. larsv8

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    Because we aren't idiots and can see through Propaganda
     
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  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Because people with degrees are generally better critical thinkers and are less likely to simply fall for an internet Meme as truth, and people with degrees are taught to research things before believing them.

    People with degrees are generally smarter than those without degrees, and as such don't fall for rhetoric nearly as often.

    This is why the republicans are attacking education, it is better for them that the populace is dumbed down, an educated populace is the last thing they want.

    DD
     
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    Liberal college brainwash CONSPIRACY

    We need to defund educashion to save America!!
     
  10. jayhow92

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    Baffling how many older people approve of Trump. He's going to screw them over on healthcare
     
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    Yup. The people who are going to be most negatively affected by the AHCA being passed is people who use their health insurance which are going to be mostly the elderly.
     
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    if harden has taught me anything is to not trust polls only poles.
     
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  13. NewRoxFan

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    Hey... somehow missed these polling numbers. Though I suspect next time they poll the first word will be "traitor"...

    New Poll Reveals The First Word That Comes To Mind When Americans Think Of Trump
    http://www.nationalmemo.com/new-poll-reveals-first-word-comes-mind-americans-think-trump/
     
  14. No Worries

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    What is the first word that comes to mind when you think of Donald Trump? (Numbers are not percentages. Figures show the number of times each response was given. This table reports only words that were mentioned at least five times.)

    idiot 39
    incompetent 31
    liar 30
    leader 25
    unqualified 25
    president 22
    strong 21
    businessman 18
    ignorant 16
    egotistical 15
    ******* 13
    stupid 13
    arrogant 12
    trying 12
    bully 11
    business 11
    narcissist 11
    successful 11
    disgusting 10
    great 10
    clown 9
    dishonest 9
    racist 9
    American 8
    bigot 8
    good 8
    money 8
    smart 8
    buffoon 7
    con-man 7
    crazy 7
    different 7
    disaster 7
    rich 7
    despicable 6
    dictator 6
    aggressive 5
    blowhard 5
    decisive 5
    embarrassment 5
    evil 5
    greedy 5
    inexperienced 5
    mental 5
    negotiator 5
    patriotism 5
     
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    2017 trends based on weekly averages from Gallup Daily tracking

    2017 Jun 26-Jul 2
    Approve
    Disapprove No opinion

    39% 56 % 5 %
     
  16. A_3PO

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    Buyers remorse for this piece of trash in the White House.
     
  17. peleincubus

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    lol at "trying" with 12 votes.
     
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  18. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Interesting read from John Dean (yes, from Nixon era) on the psychology of political support. Strongly recommended, though it may offend a few flakes here and there. No words minced. Trump's support will most probably not slip further by more than a point or two.

    https://verdict.justia.com/2017/07/...acebook&utm_campaign=verdict-2017-07-07-18973

    Cites the work of well-regarded social scientist Altemeyer. And Altemeyer, now retired, responded to questions from John Dean.

    "Put all this together and you get an idea how hard it will be to change their minds about Donald Trump.

    One can expect some of Trump’s followers to waver if the months ahead are thick with damaging revelations like those that brought down the Nixon White House. But a repeat of “Watergate-type scandals” may not damage Trump as much as they did Nixon.

    Nixon had little means of communicating directly with his supporters. Trump’s followers eagerly await his tweets to tell them the truth they will believe and repeat to one another. And so far, they have apparently believed everything he’s said.

    Second, the major news outlets in the 1970s were the three TV networks. There was no Fox News. And while there were some newspaper columnists and radio personalities who supported Nixon, today there are dozens of Trump-endorsing blogs that are on tens of millions of “Favorites” lists in American homes.

    Third, Trump’s party controls all three branches of the federal government."
     
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    Tell me you didn't vote for this guy.
     
  20. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    I enjoy reading about how and why someone behave the way they do. This one piece caught my attention a bit.

    • They have highly compartmentalized minds. When an unpleasant truth forces its way into their awareness, they do not try to integrate the other things they believe with it. Instead they put it in a box and isolate it from the rest of their thinking, which proceeds as if the truth never existed
    This would explain quite a bit. Literally, the person isn't seeing reality through compartmentalization, which is an unconscious mechanism to hold the developed self (one views) in tact. If this is what is going on, there is very little anyone can do to help them understand. It has to come from self realization of what their mind is doing.
     
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