1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

The Time Bomb in Miami

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by j@amc, Sep 12, 2018.

  1. saleem

    saleem Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2001
    Messages:
    29,300
    Likes Received:
    13,443
    What are the chances for Houston to acquire Oubre instead of Winslow?
     
  2. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    54,130
    Likes Received:
    112,650
    I haven’t heard anything about the Wizards trying to move him recently.

    If I remember right his salary is only 3-4 million and he will be a free agent after this season. He hasn’t really been all that great so far but has talent.

    What would the Rockets trade to get him? The Wizards intend to compete so there is no great need to move him, and I doubt the Rockets would give up a lot for a free agent.

    I would think he would be someone possibly moved close to the deadline for a #2 if he hasn’t broke out or the Wizards are struggling.

    I do think offensively he would do better here, and hit the three better. Defensively he is already good.
     
    saleem likes this.
  3. saleem

    saleem Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2001
    Messages:
    29,300
    Likes Received:
    13,443
    Thanks much appreciated.
     
    Nook likes this.
  4. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2001
    Messages:
    26,577
    Likes Received:
    35,648
    Oubre's salary matches nicely with Chriss. Feels like because of his roster position on the Wizards with Porter (and his salary) ahead of him, and newly drafted Brown behind him, Oubre could be squeeze. Plus him about to hit RFA and the Wizards are in the LT. Perfect mix for him to be available.

    @Nook, Codman mentioned the Bulls as a team to watch. And someone mentioned that Denzel Valentine could fit in the Rockets Trade Exception. Since you know the Bulls, can you comment on perhaps his availability? Is he in their plans? Would he be a good SF target?

     
    D-rock likes this.
  5. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    54,130
    Likes Received:
    112,650
    Injuries have really taken a toll on Valentine, he no longer has good lateral quickness or any explosion to the basket. He has had chronic knee and ankle conditions. Defensively he cannot cover on the wing well like he did early in his college career. As a result he is a liability on defense, contrary to his prior reputation as a good defender (he was never a very good defender, but he is bad at this point).

    Offensively, he cannot finish at the basket well because he can no longer get off the floor explosively. At this point, offensively he is dependent on 3 point shots, the occasional lay up and mediocre mid range shots.

    He can handle the ball some and get some rebounds. I don't think he would crack the rotation in Houston because of his defensive short comings. While he has a strong wingspan, he simply doesn't recover or move well enough. The best shot he has is to become a 40% three point shooter that can pass and rebound some...... that may get him some time on a good team like the Rockets, but not come playoff time.
     
    D-rock, Vivi, Deuce and 1 other person like this.
  6. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2001
    Messages:
    26,577
    Likes Received:
    35,648
    Excellent scouting report. Thank you.

     
    Nook likes this.
  7. Codman

    Codman Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2001
    Messages:
    6,765
    Likes Received:
    11,710

    Minny is committed to KAT as of now.

    KAT and Wigs aren't gelling.

    Wigs wants out. That comes from his best friend up north.
     
    eric.81, D-rock, Deuce and 3 others like this.
  8. Codman

    Codman Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2001
    Messages:
    6,765
    Likes Received:
    11,710
    TREYK knows


    Kelly wants out of the Wash. He'll be available, but the price will be high.

    He may be one of the most talented/unknowns in the league.

    And Yes, there's a red radar on him for the best time to pounce.


    Also, from numerous ears (but don't hate me MORE than most of you do if it doesn't happen), but I am confident Tyson Chandler will be a Rocket before we enter the playoffs. 15-20 minutes of rim protection is invaluable.

    MDA wants what he wants.
     
    eric.81, D-rock, lilbird20 and 11 others like this.
  9. yixiixiy

    yixiixiy Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2010
    Messages:
    2,593
    Likes Received:
    4,279
    Thanks Cod. Huge!

     
  10. BigDog63

    BigDog63 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2011
    Messages:
    3,163
    Likes Received:
    1,538
    Really? Who? There have the league's highest payroll, with a mediocre team with NO stars on it. Meaning everyone is overpaid--ie bad contracts. It's hard to even imagine what worse might look like, but I'm game.

    it's hard to get a lot worse than an overpriced team going nowhere, fwiw. Particulary when overpriced is VASTLY overpriced. That means you have a team full of terrible contracts that are difficult to get rid of, and you have zero salary cap room to acquire other talent.
     
  11. BigDog63

    BigDog63 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2011
    Messages:
    3,163
    Likes Received:
    1,538
    Is that really a play off team next year? I think that is debatable, even in the East. They were 6th last year, but with little upside that I saw. Does Wade really change that? And how many teams below them are going to improve? Even if they did make it, it's a one and done scenario. Not sure that's a strong marketing campaign.

    I think they don't make big roster moves for another reason. There aren't any they can make. Yes, Whiteside is probably tradeable, but for what that actually makes them better? Teams seldom trade their best player and improve.
     
  12. malakas

    malakas Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2014
    Messages:
    20,167
    Likes Received:
    15,381
    Nope.
    GSW, Rockets, OKC, Blazers, Raptors, Wizards have higher team salary.
    Most of the big contracts expire only in 2 years but they still have an amazing owner, coach, city, location and culture.
    Now teams like the Suns, Kings, Orlando, Minny, Milwaukee no matter what they have **** owners and/or crap locations and cultures and most have crap coaches.
    No matter what a good owner and a good GM count much more than just 2 years of bloated contracts.
     
    Vivi and Nook like this.
  13. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2001
    Messages:
    26,577
    Likes Received:
    35,648
    Oubre would be a great get. I can see him being available. But who knows on the price.

    I am guessing if the Rockets add Chandler, it will be with a vet min deal and not the taxpayer MLE?

    Codman, could you see the Rockets adding TWO buyout guys? Or do you think TC will be the buyout addition and the other addition will be via trade?

    I am not sure Chandler helps via GSW, but he could help in other playoff matches.

     
  14. craguin

    craguin Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2002
    Messages:
    1,899
    Likes Received:
    1,828
  15. BigDog63

    BigDog63 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2011
    Messages:
    3,163
    Likes Received:
    1,538
    No, they don't. Refer to the OP. That' what makes this so astonishly bad.

    This is a misdirection argument. Basically, you're saying that no matter how stupidly they manage their team...they've got a good situation. That's, well...BS. Yes, those things help, but they aren't excuses for horrible team management. A pile of crap on a nice beach in the sun is still a pile of crap, and it still stinks.
    But they have neither, or they wouldn't be in the contract situation they are. But would disagree anyway. 2 years of bad play with high contracts only devalues the franchise, disenchants the fan base...and gets rid of the people who caused that situation.
     
  16. D-rock

    D-rock Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2006
    Messages:
    40,743
    Likes Received:
    64,228
    Wow. What does that mean for Nene if Chandler become a Rocket. Their roles are the same.
     
  17. j@amc

    j@amc Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2002
    Messages:
    1,313
    Likes Received:
    2,554
    Well the spin circus in Miami has finally floated the obvious idea that Winslow MIGHT be available (along with others). Seems like going slow may work out after all.


    Miami also prefers to keep Kelly Olynyk. But Justise Winslow could be put in play because of questions about whether the Heat will keep him if he enters restricted free agency next summer. Winslow and the Heat are not close to a contract extension, with a mid-October deadline looming, and one GM said he could command a deal starting at $9 million in a new contract.

    Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article218908300.html#storylink=cpy
     
    Vivi and ThatBoyNick like this.
  18. ThatBoyNick

    ThatBoyNick Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2011
    Messages:
    28,432
    Likes Received:
    43,598
    Deal starting at 9 mill? Shiiiid, that's a steal. I'd lock him up on that extension ASAP.
     
  19. j@amc

    j@amc Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2002
    Messages:
    1,313
    Likes Received:
    2,554
    I’d take that deal too. Winslow should be thrilled to get that kind of offer, but if he’s on the Heat with Wade, the minutes are going to be scarce. That’s why I think he’s the piece that doesn’t fit.

    But on the Rockets? He’s an immediate fit.
     
  20. ThatBoyNick

    ThatBoyNick Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2011
    Messages:
    28,432
    Likes Received:
    43,598
    I hear you but I think that's the wrong decision for the Heat, they need to go young and not let middling role players effect what they do with a young talent in Winslow.

    If i'm the Heats GM, Winslow's apart of a 3 man core with Richardson and Adebayo, they should be looking to move everybody else.

    But hell if they want to trade Winslow to keep Dion Waiters and Ellington happy, i'll gladly offer Chriss + a 1st for him.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now