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Texans, you have the NFL'S 2nd highest paid center.

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Gray_Jay, Sep 10, 2019.

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  1. gucci888

    gucci888 Contributing Member

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    For whatever he wants. Texans have no choice.
     
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  2. The Real Shady

    The Real Shady Contributing Member

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    Like Ottoman says, it about how the team allocates the money it has while under the cap. If a team spends too much money on bad players it won't have enough to keep the good ones around or bring new ones in. Nobody cares how much they are making. They all make too much.
     
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  3. The Real Shady

    The Real Shady Contributing Member

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    East negotiation for Tunsil. Based on the draft picks given up he should have no problem demanding to be the highest paid LT in football. 100 million total at 20 mill per season. 45 million guaranteed.

    Highest Paid LT's in Football.
    Taylor Lewan Titans 28 $80,000,000 $16,000,000 $50,000,000 $34,000,000 2024 UFA
    Nate Solder Giants 31 $62,000,000 $15,500,000 $34,800,000 $34,800,000 2022 UFA
    Jake Matthews Falcons 27 $72,500,000 $14,500,000 $41,350,000 $25,946,000 2024 UFA
    Joe Staley 49ers 35 $28,000,000 $14,000,000 $23,350,000 $12,800,000 2022 UFA
    Donovan Smith Buccaneers 26 $41,250,000 $13,750,000 $27,000,000 $27,000,000 2022 UFA
    Russell Okung Chargers 31 $53,000,000 $13,250,000 $25,000,000 $25,000,000 2021 UFA
    Trent Williams Redskins 31 $66,000,000 $13,200,000 $41,250,000 $30,000,000 2021 UFA
     
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  4. Gray_Jay

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    If it's only 20M per year, I'd be pleasantly surprised. Also, Tunsil has this year and the next to let the market rise. I'll assume someone will leap past Lewan, and Tunsil will leapfrog past him.

    Though if a lockout is going to happen, I'd think Tunsil and his people want a big fat signing bonus check in his hands before then. I don't think 21-23 a year is unlikely, maybe 5 years, 55-65 guaranteed or so. More guaranteed money is the trend, and Tunsil has them over a world-sized barrel.

    It's not our money, but in a hard-salary-capped world, it's money that can't go to resign Watson, Mercilus, Hyde, Reader, etc... or find a cover CB, or another edge rusher... OTOH, they certainly found money to re-sign Martin, didn't they?

    Initial mistakes have a way of snowballing into gigantic problems.
     
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    This is how I imagine this negotiation went...

    Martin: I want $22 million
    BOB: No way, I'm not an idiot. How about $11 million?
    Martin: Deal.

    Bob: Sucker, got him at half price!
     
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    Ben Jones was stolen from us for 4 years 16.5 million ish???? Why the hell didnt we just keep him!!!!
     
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  7. Hey Now!

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    He has a tremendous amount of leverage, yes - but the Texans do have the franchise tag as a bargaining chip. And while Tunsil has made nice money (his rookie deal will be worth $12.5MM), he hasn't made Clowney-like money and probably won't be super-thrilled to holdout and not cash two years worth of checks that might be worth in excess of $40MM.

    So buying those two years out for longer-term security and more money DOES give the Texans some leverage. I still think he'll be well-paid, etc. But I don't think it's the blank check everyone else seems to think.
     
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    Disagree. Texans don't have a leg to stand on with what they gave up. Tunsil would call their bluff if they tried to threaten him with a tag. But man would that be the most Texan thing of all time.
     
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    Current cba ends after the 2020 season so the franchise system could be something totally different, and I'd imagine the current FO is even less of a fan of the tag than they were before.
     
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    What bluff would he be calling, exactly? The Texans would - absolutely - use the tag. And if he didn't like it, his only option would be to sit out a yearly salary that would likely be in the $15-20MM range.

    He's set to make ~$12MM this year and next. A franchise tag could be worth - well, this year, for OL, it was worth $14MM. So he's basically guaranteed ~$26MM the next three years - with nothing guaranteed beyond that.

    So offering to rip up his deal and pay him... $50MM guaranteed on a 6-year... $90MM deal........ It might be hard for him to pass that up. Now, having said that - I fully expect the Texans to squander this leverage, bid against themselves and pay him triple what he wanted.
     
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  12. Gray_Jay

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    How well did holding the franchise tag work with Clowney? It's a different league now, post-Bell, Brown, and now Clowney. People here were saying exactly the same thing last offseason about the growing drama surrounding Clowney's new deal, "The Texans can just tag him and he has to play. Twice, if necessary. He won't hold out after what happened with Bell..."

    Go right ahead, BoB, and tag Tunsil. Hopefully Watson is locked down by that point. Otherwise, how will it look to a stud QB talent, who will have taken a large beating up to that point, watching his team argue with his chief bodyguard about money? Watson could easily decide to wash his hands of the Texans.

    Clowney made 13.3 before the tag fiasco. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/jadeveon-clowney-14410/cash-earnings/ Tunsil will have made 22.8 if not resigned before 2021. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/laremy-tunsil-18961/ If anything, Tunsil would have more stashed away for a standoff than Clowney did.

    They have the money now and next year. Get a deal done soon and try to front-load as much of it as possible now into the dwindling cap space (Idiotically giving Martin potentially 33 million didn't help). The time to bargain hunt and chisel with Tunsil was before BoB decided to cripple two years' drafts in order to sign him.
     
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  13. ghettocheeze

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    Reminder:

    Back in the day, Texans wouldn't negotiate a new deal with Duane Brown because it would set a bad precedent for everyone else asking for more -- like some misguided attempt at being more like Bill Belichick.

    Today, a desperate O'Brien just gave $11 million per season to a mediocre center.

    Meanwhile, Mercilus and Tunsil are still waiting for their opportunity to negotiate with GM O'Brien.

    The cat is out of the bag. Players are going to take O'Brien to the woodshed in contract negotiations and Texans will overpay every single time because they have no draft picks and no alternatives.

    Welcome to the Genius GM era.
     
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  14. Gray_Jay

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    This is another giant variable in the negotiations. I can't see the current NFL team owners continuing with the status quo re: recalcitrant players and the franchise tag. The Rooneys were made to look foolish throughout the whole Brown and Bell mess. They're an ownership group that's been around forever. Most owners are going to look at that, (and the Duane Brown situation, if they want to look at another area of player disgruntlement,) see it potentially happening to them, and will want assurances in the CBA that it won't.

    Similarly with AB and the Raiders. The other owners aren't going to let themselves be viewed as farm teams for a half dozen desirable free agent stops. If they wanted that, they'd be NBA owners.

    Honestly, I see Tunsil signing sometime this offseason, for a (Les Grossman) lot of money (/Les Grossman). Gets a big check in his hands now, avoids potentially losing a lot of leverage if the franchise tag situation is significantly altered in the owners' favor.
     
    #54 Gray_Jay, Sep 11, 2019
  15. DatRocketFan

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    Refused to pay ben jones, but is fine paying this underperformer. Gm BoB at his finest
     
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  16. Nook

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    The Texans “brain trust” defies logic sometimes.
     
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  17. Plowman

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    Defying logic is the norm for these guys.
     
    #57 Plowman, Sep 11, 2019
  18. DatRocketFan

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    I need a BoB defender's positive spin on this extension.

    He's not up to his full potential b/c of injuries?
     
    #58 DatRocketFan, Sep 11, 2019
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    The new cap could be going to $220-$230 M ?
     
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  20. DatRocketFan

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    Franchise tag? U mean the one clowney used to fk over BoB? If we have gm BoB still when it comes to tunsil, history is gonna repeat itself.
     
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