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Texans trade DeAndre Hopkins to Arizona

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by J.R., Mar 16, 2020.

  1. Nimo

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    Facts?

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  2. DatRocketFan

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    Idk bro u seem to believe your own narrative that Texans literally couldn't get a first round pick trading a player that's literally the best at his position because he was disgruntled. Even after trades like Jamal Adams and Stefon Diggs, players who aren't as great was still able to yield more picks.

    Delusional that u r still arguing about this sht trade. IT was a bad one.
     
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  3. Mr.Scarface

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    Jamal Adams (4 years younger...well 3 1/2) has 2 years left under Rookie Contract.....Same as Tunsil...Same as Ramsey. Makes a HUGE difference. Diggs wasn't demanding a new contract in the $20+ million range. The Texans make a player honor a contract even if they are disgruntled (Andre Johnson and Duane Brown...even though AJ got a new contract and Duane was traded for other reasons). O'Brien didn't want to pay Hopkins...and wanted to go in another direction.....right or wrong. We will see.
     
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  4. Verbal Christ

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    Hopefully OBrien learns how to remove emotions from his management style. Just like the Clowney deal was an emotionally unnecessary move, so was the Hopkins trade. Neither one had to be done at the time it happened and it can be argued those moves hurt the team in their immediate season. Its usually why you have two people responsible - one for roster decisions and one for coaching. You get an overlap of feelings from one to the other and you have things like this happen.

    DJ would have to replicate his career year of 4 years ago to make this deal palatable and Im very skeptical of that happening. It was a dump off to the first team that showed an interest. OBrien should have played it more close to the vest and waited for a better deal.
     
  5. Rudyc281

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    Ok but let’s say what if Hopkins production declines and or he gets hurt this year then what?...and DJ and Blacklock who technically was part of the trade as well...go on this year to be 2 real solid contributors this year would you say we won the trade??
     
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    Not to mention Cooks as well...bcuz we traded the 57th pick for him because we got the 40th from Arizona...and I’m sure we don’t trade that pick if we didn’t do the trade with Arizona in the first place.
     
  7. Nimo

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    If Hopkins retires tomorrow and never plays football again, they still didn't get good value in the trade. If you buy a brand new car and someone runs a red light and wreck it in a week, it wasn't a bad buy. Even if the Texans win the superbowl, it doesn't validate the trade because you can't predict they wouldn't have won it with Hopkins. It just validates the players they have on the team.

    For comparison, if the Jets waste the 2 firsts and they became busts; it doesn't mean they didn't get a good deal in the trade.

    I know it's hard but these are separate transactions. The Texans could have (should have) gotten more and they didn't. And just about everyone in the league (include NFL executives agree).
     
  8. Nimo

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    Now imagine if they got Cooks with the 2nd and traded Fuller instead and got just a 2nd without DJ. Texans could have had Hopkins, Cooks, Stills, Cobb, Hyde, and Duke. I'll take that over Fuller, Cooks, Stills, Cobb, DJ, and Duke.
     
  9. Verbal Christ

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    You would need DJ to recreate 2016. Nuk has a down year (what makes you think he would?). You need Cooks to have a huge season and validate the trade for the 2nd rounder you received for Nuk. There were some great players still available there from picks 57-90. Blacklock is a nice player, lets see where he fits. You're right he could turn out to be the steal of the draft, but TODAY its still just a hope. You KNOW what you have with Hopkins.

    Hard to justify getting rid of a franchise icon in their prime, but winning goes a long way to cure hurt feelings. Lets see what OBrien football looks like and hold him accountable - this is his vision.

    My point was that if OBrien would have been more patient, and kept it professional and not gotten upset and grumpy then he could have helped his team more with a better return for a top 3 position player and/or held onto Clowney to help his already depleted defense of 2019. There were no indications that Nuk was going to be a distraction, just the same with Clowney. It was bad timing and rushed by the GM in both instances. Its not what good team builders 'usually' do, but again I'm willing to let it play out - it just doesn't feel right to me the way the assets are being distributed.
     
  10. Mr.Scarface

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    You would not have gotten a 2nd or 3rd for Fuller...not with his injury history.
     
  11. Mr.Scarface

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    Patient? Hopkins has been on the Block since LAST AUGUST.
     
  12. Verbal Christ

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    Its interesting when guys phrase it like this. Almost implies as if DeAndre Hopkins had no market .. I think it had more to do with having a volatile and inexperienced GM who was in his feelings at the time and didnt have the connections or know how to finesse another GM for a better return.
     
  13. Mr.Scarface

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    No...it had to do with the $20+ million he wanted on a new contract. No one wanted to pay a WR (at age 27/28) that much AND give up a 1st rounder too. Teams were interested (Eagles, Patriots, Bills...specifically) until they heard that demand. When Julio Jones signed his contract, it upset many GMs because it was so much higher than the next WR that it blew up the market. At $22 million. the next highest WR was AJ Green at $18.2 million (before Michael Thomas and Amari Cooper contracts). The problem with paying Hopkins that money is that he is not Explosive, he is the Best possession in the league. He can get bottled up without a Speed WR like Fuller opposite him. Look at his play off numbers. He has more fumbles than TDs in the playoffs. I would love to have Hopkins on this team for $15-$18 million, not at $20+ million.
     
  14. Nimo

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    when guys "phrase it like this" or better yet "make up stuff to fit their narrative". There is no proof that Hopkins has been on the trading block since last August.
     
  15. DatRocketFan

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    It was a sht trade. Giving up one of the best wide receiver in the game for jack sht, and not even a first round draft pick is just stupid. U wont b able to convince delusional scarface though who seems to think that just demanding a contact @20 mil per year negates all off that player trade value.

    Literally everyother disgruntled wr net a first round pick, yet hopkins best at his position isnt able 2. Insane delusional thinking right there
     
  16. Verbal Christ

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    So 2 fumbles to 1 TD in the playoffs is the determining factor on why you should keep a guy like Hopkins at the price point? Strange.

    2 Million bucks from a billionaire owner is what is preventing you from rewarding your home grown possible hall of fame player? Yikes. I mean seriously I understand the whole "honor the contract" argument, but there is no way you can convince me that guys like Brandin Cooks, Adam Thielen, Odell, AJ Green, Amari and Mike Evans "deserve" their money, but DeAndre Hopkins does not.

    Its sad how somehow Nuk's legacy here is being tarnished by some by painting him as some money hungry team wrecker. Alot of accounts insinuate his demands were merely a way for him to expedite a release because he just doesnt like OBrien - which is highly unprofessional, but understandable. Guys in the NFL hold out, the sky is blue and water is wet. Good GMs wont panic when it happens.
     
  17. Mr.Scarface

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    Cooper is overpaid....so is AJ Green, Odell, and Cooks. However, The $20 million+ level starts to really affect your ability to fill other position with quality talent. QB and LT are more important than a WR. Sorry, those are the facts.
     
  18. Verbal Christ

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    Want in one hand and ____ in the other ... right?

    Hasnt served JD Clowney too well, and I'll be interested to see where Nuks salary falls. People shouldnt freak out at the first figure in a negotiation you have to start somewhere and while renegotiating so soon isnt a great business model, for guys like Nuk , who are team icons - you get it done. With all the inflated contracts on this team its hard to justify NOT p[aying DeAndre Hopkins? IF the WR wasnt as important then why get rid of ONE really good one to fill in with TWO average ones for MORE money!! Law of large numbers? Nah. Neither guy wanted to keep working with the other, I think it may have really been that simple, and sadly the fans and the overall team loses in those instances.

    Yes Im vaguely familiar with this new "15% cap" and "20M" players theories that started floating around lately ... if you have a creative and lateral thinking GM along with the growing cap each year you can keep your star players. if you drafted better you would never be pressed into this conundrum in the first place.

    Hopefully its a fun season. fingers crossed x.
     
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    watch at your own risk if you're in a good mood



     
  20. blackistan

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    This is a good reminder to all those who tried to make sense of the trade while knowing damn well we got fleeced. At the same time trying to back BOB on his worst decision thus far as a gm. Sorry but this will go down as one of the worst trades ever unfortunately for us. Meanwhile we can just reminisce.
     

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