Socialists Coming to Aid of Moribund Dems. Even in Houston!

This is so stupid. The Democratic Party post Obama has a major influx of highly progressive candidates and the party is now co-ran by Keith Ellison who is as progressive as they come.

If this idiot is still pissed at the DNC for the 2016 and the way they treated Bernie, he needs to go away on his little pitty party. At this point it’s like blaming TMac for Hardens let down against the Spurs in the playoffs last year.

If the Democratic Party, in its infancy post Obama years, isnt socialist enough for you, you can only blame yourself for not stepping in and making it what you want it to be moving forward. If you listen to ANY right wingers, you’d think that the DNC is so socialist already that the country is on the verge of becoming a communist state.

But just know... the Bernie folks that are still butthurt about 2016 and want to grandstand Against the Clinton’s and Obama are only HELPING the party of Trump by splitting up the “big tent” party that the Democratic Party needs to be to beat the GOP and it’s propaganda machine.

You’re butthurt about the party... get involved. The Party needs leadership not petty fighting that will help Trumpism.

 

It's embarrassing how dishonest the far left is, even for something as insignificant as the career of Ed Schultz. It's embarrassing that they push the same right wing myth that the mainstream media was in the bag for Hillary.

https://www.vox.com/2016/4/15/11410160/hillary-clinton-media-bernie-sanders

What actually happened to "Big Ed"?

https://www.thewrap.com/msnbc-dayti...r-and-ed-schultz-canceled-chuck-todd-returns/

I agree with Bernie Sanders on a lot, but my god, some of his supporters are as bad as Trump's. The Democratic Party is winning special elections in historically Republican areas and in position to do well in November because of grassroot efforts across the country. From the bottom up. I'm glad the people actually donating, registering voters and canvassing don't care about this 2016 bullshit.

 

Sorry @glynch - just because you're pro-Russia doesn't make you a socialist.

 

The democratic strategy probably is nowhere near as bad as the MSMs strategy to support them. The non stop hate of our current admin is turning people away. I know they go hand in hand but the left could probably do better without the slanted journalism that smart folks can see right through.

 

I think you missed my point. The point is the party is already becoming more of the party of the Democratic Socialist because of the change of leadership and the influx of new candidates who are much more progressive. Most of the 2020 hopefuls have adopted Bernie’s primary poltical values like single payer, etc.

So when someone comes out a tries to point fingers at the “Democratic Party” and label themselves as something else that will divide everyone under the big tent, it’s just not helpful. The party had to have shared values that someone like a Bernie Sanders and a Doug Jones can agree on and run under in their respective states so the party can be successful.

If we split Democrats up now we are toast in the future because Republicans have consolidated their power under Trumpism and if we play this purity test game we all lose. Im okay with educating folks that the term socialism isn’t evil and owning up to the fact that Democratic values often are socialist as are Republican traditional entitlements (hello VA?).

But our big tent party (the one that can actually win elections in a poltically fractured US) has to be Democracy 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Americans are not ready for accepting a party with the phrase Socialism in it and it will just fracture the party even more.

 

See people on the left need to read posts like this. It’s important that we understand that folks on the right believe that CNN and MSNBC represent the Democratic Party and we have to find ways of getting the message out beyond the Trump scandal noise.

I think that’s why most of us on the left facepalmed when we heard that the DNC was suing regarding the 2016 election because it feeds right into the narrative folks on the right have... which FYI is just not true. I went to a Beto town hall just a couple weeks ago and the name Trump wasn’t mentioned once.

The notion that was CNN covers is what Democrats are running under is patently false but how do we raise our poltical messaging above all the noise?

 

I think you missed my point.

glynch threads are always fun

 

Ellison was given a made-up title with no actual power after Tom Perez was given control of the DNC, largely because many big donors like Haim Saban were not keen on his views on Israel.

It was popular with a lot of people.

 

Honestly, my experience with Trumpian populism pushes me away from Sanders-style populism at the same time, and into the arms of the 'corporatists'. They might occupy a higher moral ground than Trump, but the new socialists who aren't really socialists worry me in how much they think is appropriate exercise of government power. Somehow, unexpectedly, this environment of the alt-right populists and the socialist populists might make me into a free market, small government conservative.

 

Ellison is #2 at the DNC. You can debate the power he has but regardless, the most powerful figure in the Democratic Party currently is Bernie Sanders who is a self described socialist. 2020 hopefuls like Kamela Harris, Corey Booker etc have already backed Bernies policies in order to plan for the ability to carry his voters if they win the primaries.

Bernie has the Democratic Party by the balls and everyone knows it. Bernie did the right thing in 2016 to back Hillary but he could have easily been as spiteful as some of his followers and completely fracture the party ensuring Right Wing dominance for decades.

So debate the power of Ellison if you want but Bernie has all the leverage in the party regardless. Everyone knows the Democrats won’t win a thing without the support of the “socialists” and they know that if the Socialist wing flexes their power too much with their purity tears that we will be handing State seats to guys like Roy Jones instead of good candidates in local areas like Doug Jones.

That’s my only point.

 

I think there are a lot of people in a category similar to this weather it be a little more liberal leaning or conservative leaning depending on the person. Seems there's a real lack of representation for people who aren't extremist in their opinion, or at least it seems the extremist are trying to take over both parties and push out the more independent minded.

 

Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right?

 

Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.

 

We all know the song, I'm posting it because it gives me an excuse to listen to it again...

 

I have to disagree, dobro. This must be the week for it. I disagree about the lawsuit, as well, but that's another thread. I'll tell you why I disagree here. I don't care what the Alt-Right/far-right extremists think about the cable news networks or the network news. Their view of the news as a fabrication, as "fake news," that is aimed as an attack against trump and his supporters is so nonsensical, so outrageously false, that if they are still buying into the "trump/Putin narrative" that has pushed that idea after everything that has come out to date, then to heck with them.

Nothing we say or do will change their minds. When they are hit personally by trump and his policies, perhaps reality will sink in. I'm not holding my breath. You know and I know that CNN, in particular, is about as middle of the road as you can get when it comes to cable news networks. MSNBC leans to the left a bit, but not anywhere near as much as they are portrayed by trump's supporters, Fox News, or the Russian propaganda machine busy here and elsewhere.

There are a host of other good news sources. People don't want to look at American alternatives? They can check out BBC.com, a solid, largely middle of the road (with a little lean to the right) news source. I could list a dozen others, but that would be a good start for trump supporters who want to see what the fuss is about, outside of their closed in little world.

 

I agree with this, but my point was that the propaganda machine working overtime for Trump is trying like hell to conflate CNN in particular, not just with the 'liberal media" but with this entire Democratic deep state apparatus. That apparatus isn't just trying to take down Trump, its also trying to destroy your rights over there in LaGrange, TX, Tylertown, Mississippi, or wherever. Us vs them, or Us and Them (and after all, we're only ordinary men).

Regardless... I agree that CNN is actually middle of the road, but that speaks to my point that they don't serve the interests of the Democratic Party, or liberals in general. They are just being painted that way to pave the way for trusted news sources to no longer be trusted. The leadership at CNN, and Time Warner are almost certainly corporatist traditional Republicans even if they don't care for Trump for obvious reasons.

My point in saying "we should care what Astrodome says" is to allow us to take a step back and realize how much of the political messaging is getting through. Its really really hard to get through the noise, but to push Democratic and liberal leaning ideas, we've got to find a way to do so or it wont get through. We can't rely on the mainstream media to do that for us because they have their own interests.

Hope that makes a little more sense.