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Report:Investigator Says Evidence Showing Deceased DNC Staffer Seth Rich Was Emailing With WikiLeaks

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  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Huh, so Fox News and Trump lied.....no surprise.

    OFF WITH HIS HEAD !

    DD
     
  2. RocketsLegend

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    No Trump didn't lie or even had anything to do with the investigation. Your hate has blinded you from facts.
     
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  3. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    WikiLeaks is propaganda.
     
  4. NewRoxFan

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    Hey, but I just saw this on InfoWars... it has to be real!
     
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  6. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    I guess so. Story released from traditional and reputation sources (NPR) - nothing is proven, it's likely fake. From known propaganda - there is my proof it's definitely fake. Done.

    Should be weary and be critical of all stories, but dang the willingness to outright reject and accept so easily is still amazing to witness.
     
  7. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    this should go in the other thread (cabinet and appt)... i don't really get what Tillerson is doing. He's like a slow turtle that disappear most of the time. Hopefully that's just it and nothing worse.
     
  8. durvasa

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    My understanding is that text messages from the donor, who is a Trump supporter, indicate that Trump was involved in reviewing the article and pushing for its publication. That may not be hard proof (the donar could have been lying), but given Trump's obsession with deflecting from the Russia investigation and his chummy relationship with Fox News, the accusation seems totally consistent with what we know.
     
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    Call Sean Hannity.
     
  10. geeimsobored

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    Tillerson doesn't get enough press. He's destroying the state department in a rather dramatic way. He's doing more damage the DeVos is doing at the department of education.

    To me he's arguably the worst cabinet official in the administration. Aside from doing nothing about Russia, he's ruining US diplomatic strength and its presence globally. The State Department has been on a downward trajectory since the Reagan administration but I've never seen anything like the things that Tillerson is doing. He's making himself and his department worthless on purpose. I dont even think foreign leaders bother with the state department anymore. It's been neutered in less than 6 months.
     
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...dab5a0ab381_story.html?utm_term=.1a5d24c04364



     
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  12. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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  13. dachuda86

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    The DNC admitted the emails were stolen and varified their truth in the process. Propaganda or not, those emails were legit.
     
  14. dachuda86

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    The guy was murdered. Why? We just don't know but I wouldn't put it past power hungry political machines, but an Inforwars denial is about as legit as any other inforwars claim.
     
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  15. dachuda86

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    Russia uh huh. Or China. Or Obama. Or Clinton. Or the boogey man.

    To think these people don't sweep for bugs. Yeah right. That plant line cracks me up. That's the oldest trick in the book and sounds like something out of a 1960s bond movie. Russians can just hack her computer and listen through her phone if they need to anyway.

    Of course considering how lax Clinton was with her password and server, I guess it is possible that anyone could spy on them if they take that level of care.
     
  16. Amiga

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

    Propaganda is information that is not objective and is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, often by presenting facts selectively to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is presented.[1] Propaganda is often associated with material prepared by governments, but activist groups, companies, religious organizations and the media can also produce propaganda.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_techniques

    Ad nauseam
    This uses tireless repetition of an idea. An idea, especially a simple slogan, that is repeated enough times, may begin to be taken as the truth. This approach is more effective alongside the propagandist limiting or controlling the media.
    Appeal to authority
    Appeals to authority cite prominent figures to support a position, idea, argument, or course of action.
    Appeal to fear
    Appeals to fear seek to build support by instilling anxieties and panic in the general population, for example, Joseph Goebbels exploited Theodore Kaufman's Germany Must Perish! to claim that the Allies sought the extermination of the German people.
    Big Lie
    The repeated articulation of a complex of events that justify subsequent action. The descriptions of these events have elements of truth, and the "big lie" generalizations merge and eventually supplant the public's accurate perception of the underlying events. After World War I the German stab in the back explanation of the cause of their defeat became a justification for Nazi re-militarization and revanchism.
    Cherry picking (fallacy) or Selective truth
    Richard Crossman, the British Deputy Director of Psychological Warfare Division (PWD) for the Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force (SHAEF) during the Second World War said "In propaganda truth pays... It is a complete delusion to think of the brilliant propagandist as being a professional liar. The brilliant propagandist is the man who tells the truth, or that selection of the truth which is requisite for his purpose, and tells it in such a way that the recipient does not think he is receiving any propaganda... [...] The art of propaganda is not telling lies, but rather selecting the truth you require and giving it mixed up with some truths the audience wants to hear."[5]
    Cult of personality
    A cult of personality arises when an individual uses mass media to create an idealized and heroic public image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise. The hero personality then advocates the positions that the propagandist desires to promote. For example, modern propagandists hire popular personalities to promote their ideas and/or products.
    Disinformation
    The creation or deletion of information from public records, in the purpose of making a false record of an event or the actions of a person or organization, including outright forgery of photographs, motion pictures, broadcasts, and sound recordings as well as printed documents.
    Exaggeration
    An exaggeration (or hyperbole) occurs when the most fundamental aspects of a statement are true, but only to a certain degree. It is also seen as "stretching the truth" or making something appear more powerful, meaningful, or real than it actually is. Saying that a person ate 20 spring rolls at a party when they actually ate 7 or 8 would be considered an exaggeration.
    Fear, uncertainty, and doubt
    Sometimes abbreviated as FUD, an attempt to influence public perception by disseminating negative and dubious/false information designed to undermine the credibility of their beliefs.
    Gaslighting
    Using persistent denial, misdirection, contradiction, and lying to sow seeds of doubt in a target individual or group, hoping to make them question their own memory, perception, sanity, and norms.
    Half-truth
    A half-truth is a deceptive statement that includes some element of truth. It comes in several forms: the statement might be partly true, the statement may be totally true but only part of the whole truth, or it may utilize some deceptive element, such as improper punctuation, or double meaning, especially if the intent is to deceive, evade, blame, or misrepresent the truth.
    Intentional vagueness
    Generalities are deliberately vague so that the audience may supply its own interpretations. The intention is to move the audience by use of undefined phrases, without analyzing their validity or attempting to determine their reasonableness or application. The intent is to cause people to draw their own interpretations rather than simply being presented with an explicit idea. In trying to "figure out" the propaganda, the audience forgoes judgment of the ideas presented. Their validity, reasonableness and application may still be considered.
    Lying and deception
    Lying and deception can be the basis of many propaganda techniques including Ad Homimen arguments, Big-Lie, Defamation, Door-in-the-Face, Half-truth, Name-calling or any other technique that is based on dishonesty or deception. For example, many politicians have been found to frequently stretch or break the truth.
    Managing the news
    According to Adolf Hitler, "The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."[12][13] This idea is consistent with the principle of classical conditioning as well as the idea of "Staying on Message."
    Name-calling
    Propagandists use the name-calling technique to incite fears and arouse prejudices in their hearers in the intent that the bad names will cause hearers to construct a negative opinion about a group or set of beliefs or ideas that the propagandist wants hearers to denounce. The method is intended to provoke conclusions about a matter apart from impartial examinations of facts. Name-calling is thus a substitute for rational, fact-based arguments against an idea or belief on its own merits.
    Rationalization
    Individuals or groups may use favorable generalities to rationalize questionable acts or beliefs. Vague and pleasant phrases are often used to justify such actions or beliefs.
    Repetition
    This is the repeating of a certain symbol or slogan so that the audience remembers it. This could be in the form of a jingle or an image placed on nearly everything in the picture/scene. This also includes using subliminal phrases, images or other content in a piece of propaganda.[10]
    Smears
    A smear is an effort to damage or call into question someone's reputation, by propounding negative propaganda. It can be applied to individuals or groups.
     
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  17. dachuda86

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    Unlike you I don't need to look that one up. Thanks for posting your research. I hope it helps you.
     
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    Do you think it is unsavory for politicians with high-security clearance to be careless with classified information, government secrets, their strategies involving United Policies, etc.?

    Because if that's the case you must surely be much more concerned with Trump than every you were about Hillary. Trump handles government business on an unsecured iPhone. That is the norm for him. He has certainly been hacked and probably all of his conversations are hacked by multiple parties.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/us/politics/trump-phone-security.html
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...itive-information-unsecured-cellphone-n924376

    I'm asking because I want to know if it is an issue you really care about, or if you just want to use it as a weapon to attack a politician you don't like.
     
  19. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    They don't care what Trump does - he could be handing all our secrets to Russia and that's ok. But Hillary - dare she put an email on an unsecure server - and she is evil incarnate.
     
  20. dachuda86

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    Yeah that is bad regardless of who it is.
     

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