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Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Democrats Are Ready To Announce Their 2020 Bids

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Jan 1, 2019.

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  1. jiggyfly

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    How do you see him making sweet love to the economy?
     
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    Final results in the Nevada caucuses, two days later.

    2R% - Candidate - Delegates
    40.5 - Sanders - 24
    18.9 - Biden - 9
    17.3 - Buttigieg - 3
    11.5 - Warren - 0
    07.3 - Klobuhar - 0
    04.1 - Steyer - 0
     
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    The other candidates are expected to go after Sanders 'Hammer and tongs' in tonight's debate.
     
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    Nancy Pelosi says she would be comfortable with Bernie Sanders at the top of the ticket for the Democrats. One would expect her to be particularly concerned about how that would effect the balance of power in the House of Representatives, which has all of its 435 members up for election in November 2020 as well.

    Pelosi says she'd be comfortable with Sanders at top of ticket

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Wednesday said she would be comfortable with Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) as the Democratic presidential nominee in November. The congresswoman was asked the question as she was leaving a closed-door meeting in the House basement Wednesday morning.

    She replied with one word: "Yes."​

    Another possible point of interest for Pelosi could be the VP nomination. Sanders is of course an old white man, extremely left wing, and a self described 'democratic socialist'. He is from Vermont, a North East liberal state.

    Pelosi has historically been regarded as very left wing, but the party has moved so far left, so quickly, that among the current group of leaders for the Democrats, she is now regarded as not only somewhat of a moderate, but as a moderating influence on the rapidly expanding far left wing of the party. She is also from California, which is on the opposite side of the country from Vermont. The fact that she is a woman and an established leader for the Democrats makes her a plausible candidate to be his nominee for VP, if he does in fact go on to win the nomination.

    Some people wondered why Pocahontas did not go after Bernie Sanders more aggressively during last night's debate in South Carolina. Using much of the same analysis, as Warren is being considered as Sanders choice for VP, if she wants to get picked, it would be wise of her not to burn her bridges with Bernie during these debates.

    So, here are several possible tickets led by Sanders, combined with an established female Democrat leader.

    A. Sanders/Pelosi
    B. Sanders/Warren
    C. Sanders/Clinton
    D. Sanders/Harris
    E. Sanders/Abrams​

    Which one do you guys think Sanders would be most likely to go with? And if not one of these five women, then who?
     
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  7. JuanValdez

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    Maybe she would be concerned about the down-ballot effect on House races, but I wouldn't expect her to say so out loud if she was.

    I think she'd make a fine VP, but I honestly think she's more useful in the House. She also hasn't really ever seemed to have such an ambition. And, being 80 years old, the opportunity seems wasted on her. Aside from being a bit of an unreliable back up should the president die, VP should be a good grooming position for a promising future president. It hasn't worked (or hasn't been used to this purpose) since H.W., but I think it should be considered more. For that reason, Pelosi, Warren, and Clinton (lol) are all out -- they don't have enough runway left to wait 8 years and then run for president. I'd want someone age 35-55 that you think is promising enough to be a president with some seasoning. Maybe Abrams fits. Kamala Harris or Corey Booker. Pete Buttigieg, though that would be a surprise given he's much more moderate.
     
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    If she was already anticipating retirement, then this would be a fantastic way for her to end her career, win or loose. Pelosi has been under a lot of pressure from her left flank over the last year especially. Like you say, she is 80 years old and there a lot of people in Congress who would like to see her replaced with somebody younger.

    In any case, don't be surprised to see all of these ladies walking on eggshells around Bernie Sanders, or anyone else who looks like they are on a trajectory to win the nomination for the Democrats. After all, you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

    While I do not pretend to know who Bernie Sanders will pick as his VP, if he wins the nomination, it appears extremely likely that whoever it is will probably be a woman. The five I that noted are the only Democrat women that I can immediately identify with the gravitas, the name recognition, and the other factors required for them to make sense in this role.

    If there are any others, I would very much like to learn who they are. Booker and Buttigieg are not happening, I do not believe. If Sanders does not pick a woman, I will be very surprised.
     
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    If you're looking for women with gravitas, how about a governor? Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan might make sense. Her career is on the up, and she's in an important Midwestern state. There's a couple of others you could pick but Whitmer stands out to me. Of course, she did call single-payer unrealistic.

    Anyway, I don't think it's impossible that Sanders would pick a man. I get the calculus and most other politicians would do it, but Sanders doesn't always do the politically obvious thing.
     
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    Good call. If she would do it without quitting her current job, that might make good sense for her. However, she is pretty new in this role and she will be fried over the hot part of the fire if she is picked for this. But in terms of optics and the politics of her regional identification, she would be a good get for Sanders.

    Add her to the list.
     
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    D or E from your list. I feel like he's more likely to go with a PoC than a woman but someone who's both (a minority woman) for the VP choice seem probable.

    My question is, does he go with a moderate D or someone progressive like him?

    Though this is all a little premature as Bernie hasn't locked up the nomination yet.





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    Criteria A:
    Does this person appeal to the Clintonista DNC-friendly segment of the party that's between lukewarm to hostile to Bernie already and help create a unity ticket?

    Criteria B:
    Does this person have the youth and health to alleviate fears over Sanders' age and questionable ticker?

    Criteria C:
    Do they have the experience and do they hold policy positions similar enough to step in for Sanders and provide continuity?

    Criteria D:
    Short of a brave new electoral strategy, can this person win back swing voters in key states that went for Trump in 2016?

    Of those listed,all can do A.
    Abrams is the only one who can satisfy C, likely B, but maybe not D, but she gets closer to all four than anyone else I can think of and might be the Goldilocks VP candidate.

    Otherwise, it's hard to think of anyone getting three of them without falling far from a fourth:
    Ro Khanna satisfies A , B, and C, but definitely not D.
    Mayor Pete satisfies A, B, and maybe D, but definitely not C.
    Tulsi Gabbard satisfies B, C, and D, but definitely not A.
     
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    You left out Klobuchar .... I think she comes as close as anyone to filling all of your criteria. She may not be as far left as Sanders but touches on every policy that Bernie does - aside from the government job guarantee.
     
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    Tulsi Gabbard?

    I don't see her doing any of that.
     
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    I get the need to have some policy continuity. I don't know if experience is too important. The VP role is a position in which people can get experience while somewhat insulated from consequences. Besides which Pete is someone getting serious consideration for President without experience; surely he could cross a lower bar.

    Not even Criterion B? Even I manage to qualify on that one.
     
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    Yeah she does qualify for that.

    I forgot it as a read along.
     
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    Tulsi was Bernie's VP choice in 2016. She clearly fits in criteria B and C listed above by Deji. I think she has little chance of being his choice this time.

    Bernie fits criteria D (winning swing states Trump won) so I think he'd need more help in southern states.
     
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    I did not know that she was his choice, I don't think she fits in c anymore maybe in 2016 when not much was known about her.
     
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    I am looking at the polls that make up the RCP Poll Average for South Carolina and this is not passing the smell test.

    RCP Poll Average - South Carolina
    32.8 - Biden
    21.0 - Sanders
    14.5 - Steyer
    09.0 - Warren
    07.5 - Buttigieg
    03.0 - Klobuchar

    Everyone in the poll is down, except Joe Biden, who is up 8.3 points in the last six days and Warren, who is up 1.5. The average is made up of four polls with leads for Biden over Sanders of +4, +20, +8 and +15 respectively. So the in the two polls with the two larger leads, Biden has increased his lead by 16 points and 12 points in less than a week.

    Some of these polls are going to be WAY wrong on Saturday. And what if Bernie sneaks out a win in South Carolina? The experts have been counting him out since last June and we have seen what has happened over the last three weeks. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Sanders has been strong and Joe has been slow and weak.

    Maybe we are getting ready to see Joe 2.0. Two of these polls seem to be suggesting as much.
     
    #2780 MojoMan, Feb 27, 2020
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