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Our Great allies the despotic Saudis kill a Washington Post Journalist.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Oct 12, 2018.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    I've seen no proof that is happening. Trump didn't use Russia getting busted to his advantage and hasn't taken advantage of it at all. So it fits in with Trump's lack of handling diplomatic situations.
     
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    My point is that you wouldn't. This is a whole lot like the "DO SOMETHING MOREY" threads that think simply because what he's been working on hasn't been leaked means that he's not doing anything. I'm sure there was plenty Obama was doing behind the scenes as he allowed Russia to conquer half of Ukraine, as he was allowing ISIS to run wild in the middle east, as he was allowing Russia to slap him around in Syria, as he allowed Iraq to become a failed state by sticking with the premature pull out from that country.

    It's impossible to know exactly what is happening behind the scenes unless you are one of those in the know, and then you wouldn't be able to talk about it.
     
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    The difference is that we saw what Obama did as a reaction to those things. We've seen what Trump has done and the message that Trump is sending.
     
  4. Bobbythegreat

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    Well yeah, I guess we did see how he went back on his "red line" when Putin b**** slapped him and told him he wasn't going to enforce it. We saw how all he did was issue sanctions and allow Russia to keep half of Ukraine when they invaded, we saw how he did nothing and allowed Iraq to become a failed state, we saw how he allowed ISIS to become someone else's problem because he wasn't capable of taking care of the situation. I mean we saw these things, but they weren't good.

    There's plenty to bash Trump about, but at the very least he's projected strength internationally which is the opposite of what we had the 8 years prior. Trump enforced Obama's "red line" that he was too cowardly to enforce himself, he backed down Russia in Syria, he crushed ISIS, and he's started to make some progress with North Korea. When it comes to foreign policy, I'd much rather Trump than Obama.
     
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    This is hilarious. Trump has projected only weakness. He has been shown up by international criminals like Putin and the Saudi Prince. He publicly placates them and publicly denounces United States intel on the international stage. He puts himself into positions where he is lectured to and shown incompetent by our own allies while attacking our own allies. He's been publicly played by North Korea.

    All of that looks bad enough, but after talking a big game and not being able to back it up, Trump looks even weaker. He is weaker than anyone we've had since Carter, and probably weaker than Carter too.
     
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    I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Trump has actually killed Russian soldiers enforcing something that Obama was too weak to. When you compare the two Obama allowed everyone to make him their b****. He was the EU's b****, he was Putin's b****, he did nothing but project subservience and weakness.

    You can disagree with the direction Trump has gone, but he absolutely projects strength. You say he "attacks our own allies", I say that he's not willing to be subservient to anyone, even our allies. He's reminded the world that they follow the US, the US does not follow them.
     
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    Lindsey dropping verbal bombs after briefing.
     
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    It's heartening to see the Saudi arms deal is off. There is a modicum of dignity left above the will sell anything to the highest bidder.
     
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    They were not Russian soldiers, they were mercenaries/contractors.

    I'm assuming you're talking about Syria in February, yes?
     
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    This is also assuming that Trump has any idea about the different factions in Syria fighting and has any real say so on the day to day military engagement from our end.

    If it’s not an issue covered on FoxNews or CNN it’s a safe assumption that Trump knows nothing about it and folks like James Mattis probably like to keep it that way.
     
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    Yea, but this admin... I’m sure they’ve seen the full details and some have heard the tape.



    “Scream."

    "Scream."

    "Gasping."

    Then, the transcript notes other descriptions.

    "Saw."

    "Cutting."

    Graham, who was among a group of senators to receive a classified briefing on the Khashoggi case, said earlier this week that he agreed with the conclusions of the US security services that bin Salman was implicated in the case.

    "There's not a smoking gun, there's a smoking saw," he said.
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    Do we have a transcript of Anwar al-Awlaki's final moments since apparently that's a valid thing now? How about his children who were also murdered?
     
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    Well that ought to be a poke in Trump's eye. Trump must be thinking what does a guy gotta do to become Time's Person of the Year.
     
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    The only Islamic extremist that the right wing has a soft spot for.
     
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    Except he wasn't murdered. He was killed in an act of war.
     
  17. Bobbythegreat

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    He was murdered by a drone strike in a 3rd country. Now sure, he was accused of having ties to terrorist organizations and of plotting against the US.....but that's EXACTLY what Khashoggi was accused of so really the only difference is the 2 ways similar incidents can be spun. The Saudis intercepted messages between him and revolutionary groups that sought to overthrow the Saudi government and in those messages they talk about funding he was sending them and other ways he was supporting the revolutionary movement....in short, he was an enemy of the state, a traitor to his country, and they executed him for that in a 3rd country....at least they didn't then kill his kids who were innocent afterwards like the US did to Awlaki.

    Now you can try to argue that it's okay for him to be a traitor to his country because the Saudi government is bad, but I still don't think that argument gets you very far.
     
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    The war between Saudi Arabia and Yemen?
     
  19. FranchiseBlade

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    He was admitted to have been in Al-Qaeda who had declared war on the United States. It isn't really comparable to Khashoggi at all.
     
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    Don't give him any ideas.

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