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Only Mass Deportation Can Save America

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Jun 17, 2017.

  1. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    Reality.

    Only Mass Deportation Can Save America


    In the matter of immigration, mark this conservative columnist down as strongly pro-deportation. The United States has too many people who don’t work hard, don’t believe in God, don’t contribute much to society and don’t appreciate the greatness of the American system.

    They need to return whence they came.

    I speak of Americans whose families have been in this country for a few generations. Complacent, entitled and often shockingly ignorant on basic points of American law and history, they are the stagnant pool in which our national prospects risk drowning.

    On point after point, America’s nonimmigrants are failing our country. Crime? A study by the Cato Institute notes that nonimmigrants are incarcerated at nearly twice the rate of illegal immigrants, and at more than three times the rate of legal ones.

    Educational achievement? Just 17 percent of the finalists in the 2016 Intel Science Talent Search — often called the “Junior Nobel Prize” — were the children of United States-born parents. At the Rochester Institute of Technology, just 9.5 percent of graduate students in electrical engineering were nonimmigrants.

    Religious piety — especially of the Christian variety? More illegal immigrants identify as Christian (83 percent) than do Americans (70.6 percent), a fact right-wing immigration restrictionists might ponder as they bemoan declines in church attendance.

    Business creation? Nonimmigrants start businesses at half the rate of immigrants, and accounted for fewer than half the companies started in Silicon Valley between 1995 and 2005. Overall, the share of nonimmigrant entrepreneurs fell by more than 10 percentage points between 1995 and 2008, according to a Harvard Business Review study.

    Nor does the case against nonimmigrants end there. The rate of out-of-wedlock births for United States-born mothers exceeds the rate for foreign-born moms, 42 percent to 33 percent. The rate of delinquency and criminality among nonimmigrant teens considerably exceeds that of their immigrant peers. A recent report by the Sentencing Project also finds evidence that the fewer immigrants there are in a neighborhood, the likelier it is to be unsafe.

    And then there’s the all-important issue of demographics. The race for the future is ultimately a race for people — healthy, working-age, fertile people — and our nonimmigrants fail us here, too. “The increase in the overall number of U.S. births, from 3.74 million in 1970 to 4.0 million in 2014, is due entirely to births to foreign-born mothers,” reports the Pew Research Center. Without these immigrant moms, the United States would be faced with the same demographic death spiral that now confronts Japan.

    Bottom line: So-called real Americans are screwing up America. Maybe they should leave, so that we can replace them with new and better ones: newcomers who are more appreciative of what the United States has to offer, more ambitious for themselves and their children, and more willing to sacrifice for the future. In other words, just the kind of people we used to be — when “we” had just come off the boat.

    O.K., so I’m jesting about deporting “real Americans” en masse. (Who would take them in, anyway?) But then the threat of mass deportations has been no joke with this administration.

    On Thursday, the Department of Homeland Security seemed prepared to extend an Obama administration program known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, which allows the children of illegal immigrants — some 800,000 people in all — to continue to study and work in the United States. The decision would have reversed one of Donald Trump’s ugly campaign threats to deport these kids, whose only crime was to have been brought to the United States by their parents.

    Yet the administration is still committed to deporting their parents, and on Friday the D.H.S. announced that even DACA remains under review — another cruel twist for young immigrants wondering if they’ll be sent back to “home” countries they hardly ever knew, and whose language they might barely even speak.

    Beyond the inhumanity of toying with people’s lives this way, there’s also the shortsightedness of it. We do not usually find happiness by driving away those who would love us. Businesses do not often prosper by firing their better employees and discouraging job applications. So how does America become great again by berating and evicting its most energetic, enterprising, law-abiding, job-creating, idea-generating, self-multiplying and God-fearing people?

    Because I’m the child of immigrants and grew up abroad, I have always thought of the United States as a country that belongs first to its newcomers — the people who strain hardest to become a part of it because they realize that it’s precious; and who do the most to remake it so that our ideas, and our appeal, may stay fresh.

    That used to be a cliché, but in the Age of Trump it needs to be explained all over again. We’re a country of immigrants — by and for them, too. Americans who don’t get it should get out.
     
  2. Cohete Rojo

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    The US is a thalassocracy, we need to gain control of our own (interior) country.
     
  3. RocketsLegend

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    Can you imagine an American going to Japan illegally, waving the American flag and beating up the supporters Shinzo Abe while getting government assistance and making no effort to assimilate to the Japanese culture? How do you think the Japanese will react to this? Do you think they will cuddle the American and call the rest of the country Japanse supremacists?
     
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  4. fchowd0311

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    Our immigration policy is working in general. We are heavily merit based immigration country hence why so many immigrants excel relative to the average American because they come from a selective pool.

    Japan is a poor example. Japan is very insular and xenophobic. Our nation isn't built on Japanese principles. Stop being unAmerican and also...

    Stop beating up straw men.
     
  5. RocketsLegend

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    I never liked this argument. Of course, we're not Japan or China or India but America still has its own set of values that have been implemented to its culture for 250 years. Why are for the most part western countries are supposed to be passive when comes to their culture dying? We should get this idea of multicultural and anti-assimilation out of our heads. It's rotting the brain.
     
  6. fchowd0311

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    What is this dying culture you speak of? The culture that on average has to take college Algebra their freshmen year in college, while their immigrant peers are taking Calc 3 because they took AP Calc in high school? The culture that results in a engineering talent shortage with STEM/engineering programs in general dominated by immigrants?

    What is this failing culture you are referring to? Children of recent immigrants and are outperforming multiple generation Americans in education. Worry about that instead of immigrants taking over 'culture'.

    The inclusion of immigrants is actually increasing our net IQ, which is the opposite of what you suggest('rotting the brain' lol)
     
  7. RocketsLegend

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    Are these the immigrants that are taking calculus 3 that you're talking about?

     
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    This is a country of immigrants, our culture has always been a mixture of various other cultures. Not sure which fantasy culture you were referring to?
     
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  9. fchowd0311

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    No.. I speak of average, trends, emperical evidence...

    Not YouTube anecdotes. That's your domain.
     
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    life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Freedom of expression, freedom of religion and limited government. These the core values of United States and I like to keep that way.
     
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    Just because immigrants from centuries ago were able to assimilate doesn't mean the new wave of immigrants will do the same. Do you want to know why, because leaders of the western country would rather promote multiculturalism than assimilation.
     
  12. fchowd0311

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    I think the number one metric for assimilation in a capitalist Western society is how much you contribute to the GDP. So proffesionally skilled skilled immigrants and children of recent immigrants who succeed more in obtaining proffesional skills contribute quite well to our GDP this they assimilate quite well.
     
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    So, basically we should burn down China-town because they aren't assimilating properly? What about Amish towns? What about the entire state of Utah?

    Multiculturalism works for some, others will assimilate over time. That's the way it's always been.
     
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    Good to know you are pro-assimilation. I was referring to families that did not assimilate to the American lifestyle and drained the system.
     
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    If you say so but seem like there weren't any kind any kind of assimilation from the video I posted.
     
  16. Commodore

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    "Americans Need to Be Replaced"

    if you wanted to parody an elitist New York Times editorial, you couldn't do better than the real thing
     
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    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Immigrants made this country. Literally built more than 50% of it.
     
  18. fchowd0311

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    PC snowflake. Maybe multiple generation Americans need to step it up?
     
  19. Tha_Dude

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    So, one video represents the thoughts and feelings of every single immigrant in this country?

    Not sure how old you are, but it seems like you need to get out more and meet some people.
     
  20. justtxyank

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    He means white.

    People who are afraid we are losing our culture mean we aren't going to be a white country any more
     
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