[Official] Russia Endorsing Sanders, Again, Set to Interfere on His Behalf, Again

Ok? Your link just says there is some merit to the claim and reminds viewers to also remember all the things he's done for Russia. You are making a definitive claim. Didn't he hand them Syria? Wasn't he trying to cut sanctions but the house wouldn't let him? Didn't he say Russia could have Crimea?

Obama put some hard sanctions on Russia, 'Pillows and sheets' is a complete lie, he gave them aid, not as much but the situation was different years ago. Obama wanted to treat Russia as an ally and certainly Ukraine complicated things Obama was 100x tougher on election meddling, something that Trump has just ignored.

There has been continuity on certain things, the ones mentioned there, but then there have been many steps back taken with Russia as well.

Putin prefers Trump in office, I'm not sure how many times this has to come from Russia for others to get that. The argument should be why he wants Trump in office but Putin himself flat out said he wanted Trump to win in 2016.

 

Yes I agree Russia is anti American. Trump is just a means to an end, a purpose. Trump is a tool for Putin to achieve his goals. Any person Putin can use to harm America he will use. Do you think Putin even likes Trump? I doubt that. He is an asset to use to achieve Putin’s goals. Thanks O for the post and helping pointing that out it.

 

The Democrats elites cannot admit their party is going to lose again. Remember Hilary Clinton saying the same about Tulsi. Lol

 

Anyone not with the corporate neolibs and neocons is Russian compromised.... amazing

 

Considering Russia's Communist Party is Putin's main political opposition and holds a meager 43 out of 450 seats in the legislature, I think it's safe to say socialists are still very much out of fashion in Russia.

Bernie was there to add Yaroslavl as a sister city to Burlington, after rejecting Kaunus (still in the Soviet Union at the time) because of its association with the Holocaust. It was also during a time of thawing of relations -- his trip overlapped a more famous visit by Ronald Reagan. There's also a considerable overlap between the people who would have you believe Bernie Sanders is a Stalinist with the ones that would have you believe Trump is literally Hitler and/or a Russian agent.

I would urge you and other conservatives to find more substantial policy reasons to criticize Sanders if you want to be taken more seriously and make a more compelling argument than a blue-haired non-binary intersectional feminist in a p***y hat at a #Resistance rally raging at strangers about how oppressed she is by Nazis because Trump is president.

 

Bernie not only called himself a socialist before re-branding as a "democratic socialist" he also has praised places like Cuba and other communist governments in the Western hemisphere. Heck, he is still praising Cuba to this day. When Bernie visited Russia it was still the USSR and we were still very much in the cold war before Reagan broke the USSR and the wall came down three years later. (Side note: in case you bring up the Trump wall which is meant to keep illegals out while the Berlin wall was made to keep people in).

Now lets get back to so called "Democratic Socialism". From the DSA website: https://www.dsausa.org/about-us/what-is-democratic-socialism/

They state on their own website that in the "short term" the cannot take over private business? Well put on your thinking cap and try to guess what the long term goal is? Bernie self identifies with this group and their goals are listed on their website. "Democratic Socialism" is just like any other socialism they just realize it will take longer to implement. The Scandinavian countries Bernie praises are capitalist countries not "Democratic Socialist" countries. So why would Bernie praise those countries while still calling himself a "Democratic Socialist" especially when anyone who can read can look and see what the goals of the Democratic Socialist are? Bernie has naive people like you fooled. That is why I want him to get the nomination so "Democratic Socialism" is on the ballot come November. When Trump wins by a landslide it will send Democratic Socialism back into the shadows where it should be for at least another decade

Policy reasons? You mean like he plans to give everything away for free while saying someone else is going to pay for it?

 

Can't wait for my free BMW M2 competition when I vote for Bernie. It's why I'm voting for him. I get free cool stuff.

You are one of the least nuanced posters here. The world is a black and white paradigm to you. Bernie has time and time again explicitly stated that he hates the authoritarian nature of Castro and other communist regimes. Like Obama he has found a few positive aspects. One of them was healthcare. In a nation (Cuba) that was facing massive economic sanctions where they were not allowed to be involved in global trade which is a SIGNIFICANT hindrance to economic growth, they still somehow managed to have a population with the same health characteristics of first world developed nations. They had the same life expectancy of American citizens.

And yes for once let us debate policy. The only thing you do is debate labels. You don't explain how M4A is bad relative to the current system. You just throw out labels about socialism being bad and the evil Castro. There are plenty of posters who are at least willing to explain in nuance why they believe these programs don't work in their opinion.

 

Somebody got there talking points.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/02/bernie-sanders-fidel-castro-60-minutes-interview-cooper.html

 

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Name me an avenue in which a political debate doesn't use "talking points"? How do you define "talking points". Do you tout new found narratives and knowledge that no one else knows?

 

This post is full of misinformation.

1. Bernie has correctly mentioned advancements made by Cuba while denouncing their authoritarian regime.
2. Bernie took his honeymoon in the USSR as Reagan was opening new relations with them. It was an effort to establish a sister city for one in VT. He sang 'This Land is Your Land' to the Russians. Let's go with the whole story.
3. You have refused to renounce the socialist policies of Donald Trump. In fact, you have stated that you will happily vote for him in the election. You seem to worry more about the label of socialism than actual socialist policies. Be thankful that you don't own land that Trump has his eye on and wants the government to take away. Other Americans aren't so lucky.

 

Cml will only debate at the surface level as in he only cares about labels. He won't debate on actual reasons. "socialism bad" is pretty much his argument.

And when he's frustrated he'll attack you personally about "caring too much" or "posting too much".

 

soooo the trains ran on time


Also this land is your land is a communist song and is a protest of owning the property... thus the line This land was made for you and me.... the people. The people's land... the state's land.

 

Explain to me how a country sanctioned to oblivion with no access to major consumer markets globally except the USSR somehow still managed to have its citizens match health statistics such as life expectancy with first world developed nations?

If you consider the health of citizens as trivial, than what more can we debate? We have very fundamental differences in philosophy if that's the case.

 

The song is a traditional folks song by Woodie Guthrie who was a great AMERICAN songwriter. It is one of inclusion. Nowhere in the song does it advocate the 'State's land'. Though if it did maybe @cml750 would champion it, since Trump has advocated the state seizing the land of private citizens in order to build his wall.

At least you see the idea of 'state's land' as the socialist policy that it is.

 

Yeah that was an embarrassing bad take.