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[OFFICIAL] Bernie Sanders for President thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. JuanValdez

    JuanValdez Contributing Member

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    Or from salvation, depending on who the president is.

    The 1-year mortality rate for people over 65 doubles to 21% when you break a hip.

    Senators get a gold-level Obamacare plan with ~75% of it subsidized by the federal government.
     
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    Okay? What’s the end goal for this argument?

    Once a president over 65 breaks a hip, he must resign as there is a higher mortality rate?

    I get the argument for an age limit, but I still disagree with it as a whole because everybody is an individual with different levels of mental capabilities at different ages. I find it to be immoral to block someone’s opportunity to serve as president purely from a prejudice view point of the elderly. I’d rather us judge an individual based on their actual personal abilities. Bernie’s still sharp.
     
  3. Os Trigonum

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    . . . like Vermont cheddar
     
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    You mean like the all the multi-trillion dollar tax cuts given to the rich in the last 30 plus years under the misguided supply side theory (i.e voodoo economics). It is very hard to take back this money from the billionaires and the poor folks with say only 5-10 million.
     
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    I hoped so, too or it would be an excuse for another multi-trillion dollar give away to the military industrial complex.
     
  6. JuanValdez

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    Maybe someone is making that argument. My grandmother suffered a broken hip from a careless house painter. She never could really regain her movement in physical therapy. The immobility caused complications that ended up putting her on dialysis. The dialysis was so objectionable to her that she ultimately decided to stop treatment and died. She held on for longer than a year after that broken hip, but it was the beginning of the end for her. From that experience, I learned broken bones in old people are very serious business. My mother also got a broken ankle a while back, and she's recovered now and it won't kill her, but it took a year for her to mend. So, really I'm only interested in educating people about the importance of avoiding slips and falls for the elderly.
     
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    Well I apologize, I took it as a political response for an argument of age limit considering the thread and context.
     
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  8. JuanValdez

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    No worries, that's totally understandable. But if you want to fight, I can help. The vice president and order of succession protects us from presidential deaths. So I'm not worried if a president breaks a hip. However, we'll have a hard time dealing with a president who suffers from the onset of dementia or otherwise reduced mental faculties. Witness the reaction to the recent amendment 25 suggestions. Once the problem is severe, you can probably manage to get a president to step aside or to get a cabinet to remove him. But, when it's just starting, it's hard to say this is it. We saw McCain had a strange episode or two where you wonder if his thinking was clouded, but he was given the benefit of the doubt. And, that mental incapacity is a pronounced risk when you have an elderly president. Should we really be taking that risk by electing Sanders or Biden or Trump?
     
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    Id be down for a dementia and mental health screening amongst candidates or presidential elects, and if one test positive we can have the VP take over.

    I’m just against a flat age limit due to potential older candidates not having dementia or severely decking cognitive function.

    Also, people are getting dementia earlier and earlier, weather it be environment or advance screening, perhaps both, it really makes age limiting screwy because dementia, cognitive decline and diseases can onset as early as 30’s in some people.
     
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    ipaman said:
    I love Bernie but that's why we can't have elderly run the country. We're one broken hip away from a disaster.

    Well Nelson Mandela was almost the same age as Bernie when he became President of South Africa. Turned out pretty well.
     
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  13. JuanValdez

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    He's running for president.
     
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    Not sure you want to plant your flag on that hill IMO he was no great shakes and came off as rather feeble.
     
  15. Os Trigonum

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    Bernie's got a problem now that he is a millionaire

     
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    Why is Bernie being cagey about releasing his taxes?

    he had to know he would have to release them when he ran again what has he been doing since 2016?
     
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    He's realizing that alot of Trump voters are people that initially supported him before Hillary beat him, and there's a market for him to snag crazy aggrieved people who watch FoxNews.

    He's right too. Trump voters, and FoxNews watchers are no longer ideological Republican Conservative die hards. It's a large segment of the population that is aggrieved about their lives, and were ignorant enough to vote for Trump because they viewed him as an outsider who could beat the deep state & give the country back to the poor white people.

    Bernie going on FoxNews is actually pretty smart. He's positioned better than most to snag back some of the Trump voters that might now finally be like "Yeah... Trump's full of sh$%, but at least he's not Hillary".

    Bernie also sells populist hopes and dreams like Trump did in 2016 that most smart people should understand are not objectively possible in split government Democracy. And the American electorate that watch FoxNews are ignorant enough to keep coming back and buying it.

    Bernie has a good shot actually. I just hope his followers don't burn down the house on their way out the door just to try and get Bernie the nomination... then in the end Bernie doesn't get the nomination & his following has caused damage to the Dem nominee.
     
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    Bernie is simply too old to run for President. The intellectual rigor that underpins his economic policies are comparable to that of a small child. Or a 29 year old recently retired bartender with a negative net worth. Bernie is a nice policy promoter for the ultra left wing -- but he's not Presidential material. He has virtually no accomplishments to his name, very little executive experience, and totally extreme views. Just look at Venezuela's nightmare or Europe anemic growth and you have a sneak preview of the horrors of socialism. It's been tried and failed, yet buffoons still promote it!

    And he's a year or two away from needing help to use the bathroom.

    GOOD DAY
     
  20. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    So, since President Trump will be that age if elected to a second term, I would assume you will be advocating for some other Republican to run?
     

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