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Another great post-punk band was The Birthday Party featuring Nick Cave. They influenced many other artists including most notably My Bloody Valentine. Cave then spun off a backing band for his solo career named The Bad Seeds and they were sorta post punk all-star group with Cave and Mick Harvey from The Birthday Party, guitarist Blixa Bargeld from industrial pioneers Einsturzende Neubauten, and bassist Barry Adamson from Magazine. They later added Kid Congo from The Cramps. The Durutti Column is another influence on MBV and their guitarist (and essentially the band) Vini Reilly played guitar on Morrissey's solo debut, "Viva Hate". Another revivalist band that no one has mentioned is Franz Ferdinand. Their debut was pretty good.
I absolutely LOVE The Birthday Party! Austin 80s art/freak-punks, Scratch Acid (who morphed into The Jesus Lizard and then moved to Chicago), were a fantastic "copycat" act. Check them out, if you haven't.
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The Great Annihilator is on my list of CDs to pick up and then I'll see if I want to get more albums by them.
I feel like a lot of the "revivalist movement" is actually more of a melding of post-punk with 90s guitar rock, rather than just a straight rehashing of what was already done in the 70s/80s. A lot the bands that are considered "post-punk revivalists" use the same song structures and establish the same moods as a lot of the original post-punk artists, but the sound/production is more reminiscent of early 90s rock in my opinion. With louder fuzzy guitars, simpler/more-apparent guitar hooks, bigger beats, and just an overall denser sound. This especially applies to groups like Interpol and Franz Ferdinand. Of course part of it I'm sure is just advancement in studio recording and technology. Either way, I feel like the new stuff is a good combination of influences. While I definitely it wouldn't call it better, sometimes I'm just in the mood for a fuller sound.
Top 10 Post-Punk Bands (in no particular order): 1 - Joy Division 2 - Siouxsie and the Banshees 3 - The Cure 4 - Suicide 5 - Wire 6 - Gang of Four 7 - Pere Ubu 8 - Magazine 9 - Public Image Limited 10 - Killing Joke
New wave/post-punk, new romantic, synth pop, electro, industrial, what is the difference? Is it if you can watch them in concert its new wave, if you only heard them on the dance floor at Rich's or Numbers its synth pop? Punk era was like 5 short years. Post-punk's era's like 15. Punk must REALLY got at people to have backlash against it for so long... Just saying if acts like Psychadelic Furs, Duran Duran (oops I said it, crediblity lost) Spandau Ballet, Heaven 17, or Level 42 would qualify. What kinda bands are those? Thats just "80's stuff" to most people.
Just about how I'd describe it myself. At least to my ears, newer bands are sounds heavily influenced-by more than it is actual revival. I can see some of the fashion and stylings as "throwback". But in listening to those bands years ago that were trying to "bring it back" like The White Stripes, The Hives, The Vines, The Strokes, Franz Ferdinand and Interpol (all who I like a lot), I never quite quite reached the opinion of "they're bringing it back" for whatever reason. But it sounds pure enough all the same.
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i'm reluctant to post as i'm not a big fan of labels but the smiths need to be in that group, don't they manny?
Bringing this thread back.. Yes, I agree and it was an egregrious (sp?) oversight on my part as a matter of fact, I will have to expand my list to 14: 1 - Joy Division 2 - Siouxsie and the Banshees 3 - The Cure 4 - Gang of Four 5 - Wire 6 - Suicide 7 - Pere Ubu 8 - Public Image Limited 9 - Magazine 10 - Killing Joke 11 - The Smiths 12 - The Birthday Party 13 - The Fall 14 - Ultravox (mainly the John Foxx led one as the Midge Ure one was more new wave/new romantic) I think a more interesting question would be what was the greater debut album: Entertainment! - Gang of Four Pink Flag - Wire Suicide (First Album) - Suicide The Scream - Siouxsie and the Banshees Unknown Pleasures - Joy Division Real Life - Magazine First Issue - Public Image Limited The Modern Dance - Pere Ubu Every one of those albums are 10 out of 10's in my book.
I really liked that stuff as a kid, but modern music started turning me off since the 90's anyway (I never liked grunge either), and I started listening to older and older music. Most of the bands since that interested me had some kind of retro element anyway, like Ryan Adams, Brazzaville, the Old 97's, Belle and Sebastian or even Ben Harper. Most of the "new" bands, to me, either are a bit light in the songwriting dept, or sound TOO much like the bands they emulate or only have a song or two that I like. It's not terribly innovative IMHO. Interpol might sound kinda like Joy Division in the same way that the Counting Crows might sound like Van Morrison. It doesn't make them them comparable with a straight face. I'm much more excited to buy a new Fall or Peter Murphy or Lou Reed or Brian Eno album, or modern blues (Fat Possum records kind of stuff, like Bob Log III or T-Model Ford) or post-rock stuff like Sigur Ros. And frankly? The last I album I really loved was the latest Guy Clark album. Maybe it's just my age, but I don't think anyone can say I'm tasteless or uninformed. There's another phenomenon...the more time passes on, the more young people seem to look further back into music. I went to a Peter Murphy show and expected everyone to be my age or older...and they weren't. It was full of screaming little girls. They seem to identify with these early 80's artists as being the definitive "thing" by which everything after is derivative, unless of course, they identified with 90's hip hop, or electronic music, but then, these aren't the kids going to see Of Montreal. Hearing kids say their favorite bands are Depeche Mode or Bauhaus is sort of like me saying my favorite bands are the Everly Brothers and the Kingston Trio. I'd love to think that the music I grew up listening to had some special something that pop music before it didn't have but I'm not fooling myself. This is a function of new music just not being as innovative, or at least, as sincere. So yeah, I think it's fair to call it "fake." I wouldn't include bands like the White Stripes (who I like). They are too blues-oriented and I think a lot of the effort of the whole post-punk thing was to try and get as far away from the blues scale and traditional rock, either by making innovative chord progressions (REM, Smiths) or by going synthesizer-oriented. I think the Jack Whites and Langhorn Slims of today might be influenced by the punk (and post-punk) ethic, but certainly owe more to straight-ahead rock n' roll like the Stones and Zepplin or T-Rex than they do to any of the bands that came after. And in my humble opinion, suck much less. Anyway, back to Willie Nelson. Get off my lawn
Real Life, nice I like Ultravoxx with Midge Ure. Not a Joy Division fan, too droll. I'm way behind everyone on knowledge of these acts, so I'm going the the familiarity Yes...YES. We are doing the job we're supposed to do - Promote OUR brand of music as the best thing ever and everything else SUCKS! Based on nothing more than a subjective opinion.... :grin:
The Pretenders could be in there somewhere too. Husker Du is post punk by some definitions as well. Here’s a random video from a Swiss all female post punk band from about 1980 called Kleenex. They later changed their name LiLiPUT. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/WTakWq22kNw&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/WTakWq22kNw&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> Here’s another new band intentionally trying to create an old sound, WOMEN. They made Audra Schroder of the Austin Chronicle’s top 10 of 2008 list, and they have a new album coming out this year. This is a recording of a live “session” with some short interviews between songs where they talk about recording to tape and other tricks to create an old sound. This is about 40 minutes long but if you only want to hear one song the first one or one at the 24:50 mark would be my recommendations. http://r3.ca/04bf
Another old thread brought back to life by yours truly - I have gotten into The Fall (great, all I need - another band to get into) and they are up there in my list of the great post-punk bands. Got 3 albums so far in Hex Enduction Hour (just recently bought), This Nation's Saving Grace, and The Wonderful and Frightening World of the Fall. I loved TNSG after the first listen and it is still my favorite one of the 3 but the others have their merits as well. Any other fans of The Fall here?
