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Kevin Love to miss 6 weeks

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by J.R., Feb 14, 2017.

  1. J.R.

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    So if things go according to plan, Love will have 2 weeks to get in rhythm for the playoffs.

    Because of this, I believe the Cavs are legitimately vulnerable in the playoffs to the Celts and Wizards, especially if they have to play both. The #1 seed is very important this time around.
     
  3. bullardfor3

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    I wonder if this means they are going to rest LBJ on the second night of back-to-backs. That Cavs come here after playing the night before at Orlando. Good for the Rockets if it happens not so good for fans wanting to see Lebron. I just bought tickets!
     
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    I believe the thought of resting LeBron more than a couple of games just went out the window. They really need the #1 more than ever now.
     
  5. count_dough-ku

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    This means Love will miss the game at Toyota Center less than a month from now. Plus it's a B2B for the Cavs, so that should be a much easier game.
     
  6. J.R.

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    lulz, dumbass reporters

     
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    No wonder Lebron likes coach Pop.
     
  8. J.R.

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    The Cavaliers are 40-24 over the last 3 seasons when one of the Big 3 (LeBron James, Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving) does not play, including 11-3 when James and Irving both play and Love sits. They are 0-8 when 2 or more of them do not play.

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    http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/sto...james-cavaliers-lose-no-1-seed-kevin-love-nba

    The struggling defending NBA champion Cleveland Cavaliers took another hit to their talented lineup Tuesday, when ESPN's Dave McMenamin reported that All-Star forward Kevin Love will undergo arthroscopic surgery on his left knee.

    The initial timetable has Love missing the next six weeks, which would keep him out most of the remainder of the regular season. While the Cavaliers should be at full strength by the playoffs, with starting shooting guard J.R. Smith due back in mid-March, how much will they miss the two starters before they return? Does it open the door for the Boston Celtics or another team to pass them for the top seed in the Eastern Conference playoffs?

    Projecting Love-less Cleveland

    Using a projected rotation with 10-day pickup Derrick Williams and veteran Richard Jefferson filling most of Love's minutes, the multi-year, predictive version of ESPN's real plus-minus (RPM) suggests the Cavaliers will play at the level of a 47-win team without him in the lineup. That's about a nine-game decline from their 56-win projection with Love but without J.R. Smith.

    Since Love can be expected to miss about 32 games if he returns on schedule, that's a three- or four-win swing if the RPM projections are accurate -- significant with the Boston Celtics just two games back in the standings. Simulations using ESPN's Basketball Power Index (BPI) show the Celtics finishing three games back of Cleveland, so Love's injury opens the door to Boston claiming the top seed in the East.

    The Toronto Raptors, six games back in the standings but having just added Serge Ibaka in a trade that was conveniently timed, could also be a threat. The Washington Wizards, currently just 4.5 games back, are less likely to catch the Cavaliers because of a road-heavy schedule and a relatively poor point differential for their record. BPI has them winning nine games fewer than Cleveland on average.

    One thing BPI doesn't know is the Cavaliers will probably get Smith back from his fractured thumb before Love returns. McMenamin and Chris Haynes reported on Monday that Smith is on target for a mid-March return, which would boost Cleveland's depth.

    Between now and then, the Cavaliers will count on Williams to supply some needed offensive punch. His athleticism has worked well in transition, with Williams getting easy baskets by running the court. The No. 2 overall pick of the 2011 Draft has made five of his six shot attempts in scoring 19 points in 42 minutes during his first two appearances for Cleveland. However, he's also grabbed just one rebound in that span.

    More minutes for LeBron?

    Even if Williams proves effective, the Cavaliers figure to have a tough time competing without LeBron James on the court in Love's absence. Per NBAwowy.com, Cleveland has been outscored by 4.5 points per 100 possessions with James on the bench. Yet the Cavaliers are actually plus-5.4 per 100 possessions when Love plays without James, which hints at how bad they've been with neither All-Star forward.

    In the 119 minutes Kyrie Irving has been the lone Cleveland star on the court, the team has been outscored by 20.5 points per 100 possessions.

    Already, James has been logging entirely too many minutes, as documented by Tom Haberstroh -- more than 38 per game since the start of December and 37.6 per game overall, tied with Kyle Lowry of the Raptors for most in the league. Love's injury makes it less likely the Cavaliers will cut James' minutes or rest him more in the second half of the season. And that could have greater long-term implications in the playoffs than whether Cleveland is the top seed in the East.

    After all, we've seen the Cavaliers win the East from the second seed before. In 2015, James' first season back in Cleveland, they swept the top-seeded Atlanta Hawks in the conference finals without Love.

    Still, the Cavaliers have been relying so heavily on James during the regular season because they value finishing first in the East, and Love's absence will make it more difficult to earn. Cleveland doesn't have the luxury of shifting styles and playing bigger, slower, more defensive-minded lineups as in the 2015 playoffs.

    Tristan Thompson can't replace Love at power forward because he's needed at center, where the Cavaliers have only Channing Frye as an alternative. And if Williams sticks around beyond the maximum two possible 10-day contracts, as James hopes, Cleveland will have to choose between adding a "playmaker" (as LeBron has asked for) and adding more size with the final roster spot cleared by Monday's Chris Andersen trade.

    The Cavaliers' path to repeating as champions has already been bumpy because of injuries and roster limitations, and Love's injury only adds to that. While Cleveland hopes a rough regular season will be a distant memory by the time the NBA Finals roll around, James' heavy minutes and the possibility of going on the road for the Eastern Conference finals makes getting there somewhat less likely.
     
  9. Deuce

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    Good points!
     
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    Time to propose that Harden for Love deal
     
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    Wonder if they regret not getting melo now
     
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    They still could I would imagine.
     
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    Didn't The Wolverine return in 3 weeks.

    Love is a wuss
     
  14. Air Langhi

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    The should have traded love for Melo. Love is useless against the Dubs. I think Melo would be a better fit against them. If they can get melo and clee for love I would do it.
     
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    lol Phil prob would do something like that
     
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    I think getting Love was a good move just because without him the Cavs don't win a ring last year, he was worth 1 ring. But now it's time to trade the dude he's clearly too injured to do anything good. Lebron just need to find a franchise desperate enough to get another star and would be ok with someone injury prone.....Love for Anderson, book it.
     
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    Funny, but Love for Wiggins makes so much sense now for both teams, they could play LaVine at 2 (given he can fully recover) and pair KAT with Love. Were there ever players traded back again to same teams for same players ?
     
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    coulda had wiggins teabagging players while putting up 40 instead
     
  20. roslolian

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    Kat with love is bad because both of them arent good paint defenders. Lebron doesnt want Wiggins because he was hyped as the next lebron (same reason Shaq hates Dwight), and now Wiggins isnt a good defender and cant shoot so I dont know why CLE would want him. I'm actually surprised love for wiggins turned out to be a great trade for CLE, I really thought that would bite them in the ass
     

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