[Graphic: Death shown] I found a genuine reason for armed protests.

Welcome to our America

 

T_Man Faints.... I agree with this

 

Regarding whether the bystanders should've done something if they tried to interfere there is a good chance more people die. LE are already on edge when an arrest is being made and in a situation like this if a lot of people try to interfere they probably will resort to lethal force. Especially in a situation like this on a busy street and with only a few LEO not equipped for crowd control.

 

Yeah, that was inevitable.

 

It's not knee on head it's knee on neck and from my training they tell you to never grasp the neck area.

All of this technique talk is bullshit there were 3 other officers and no need to have a knee on the neck and any training will tell you to release is the person is showing distress.

It was not negligent it was purposeful he saw the guy was unconscious and continued to keep his knee on the neck is that also taught?

It does not matter if the LEO was trying to kill him what matters even if this technique is taught wiche I doubt we both know it's taught only until the person is subdued and never once the person is in distress.

He was looking at his face most of the time and there were 2 other cops subduing him, I don't know why you seem to be trying to give this cop some wiggle room.

 

I get it. It's not my world but I know it's yours.

And that makes me upset, sad, disgusted, all kinds of other words that I can't come up with right now.

 

I agree it was completely excessive and certainly shouldn't have been kept on that long. I certainly agree that the LEO should be arrested. I'm explaining the technique from the stand point of having seen it done and actually felt it.

 

what is the primary objective of this knee on head technique? to make some restrained/immobile or to cut someone's oxygen?

it it always necessary even if you already over power and outnumber the suspect and the suspect is already immobile?

 

Despicable slimebags.

 

The technique is knee to the neck?

I am not trying to put you on the spot but I am genuinely interested because I have worked in lockup situations in several places and have never seen that technique.

Can you show me a video?

 

No longer than it takes to subdue a violent person, enough to cuff them.

 

Yeah that's what I was thinking but what I was taught was body weight on the upper back especially with multiple people assisting.

 

It's not designed to cut off the oxygen, what the technique does is control someone based upon how the human body works. There is a saying in martial arts and wrestling "the body follows where the head leads." what happens is that your body won't just let your neck snap. For example when you seen a boxer get hit in the jaw and their whole body twist around. In this technique which you do is you immobilize the head by putting pressure between it and the ground. You keep the suspect on their belly and bring their arms up behind their back and cuff them. Why you use your knee is because then your hands are free to cuff them and it is an effective way of putting weight down.

To get a sense of how well this works try this. Lie down on your belly (preferably on a carpet or grass). Turn you head to one side and have someone put a hand on the side of your head and press down. Try it with your arms free and then try it with your arms behind you and see if you can get up.

I will emphasize this technique does have a lot of risks. Looking at the video the technique is being applied to the neck which shouldn't be. Even applied to the head you can cause a lot of damage as you're pressing someone's head into the ground. Note that Floyd can speak so he isn't getting choked in the technical sense but what is likely happening is that the pressure on the neck is stressing the carotid arteries and spine. This is similar to the Eric Garner case where the "chokehold" isn't really designed to cut off air but is designed to cut off blood to the brain. All chokes in Judo work on this principle but the danger with them is that if they are held on too long can do harm and also to people who aren't in good shape or have an underlying condition they create a lot of stress that could lead to a heart attack or something else that is lethal.

To follow up with @jiggyfly I just remembered that a few years ago we actually covered this technique in regard to self-defense and have video of it being used. See the last technique in this video. For those wondering the attacker is me and yes that is me groaning as it's put on.


I'll see if I can find a video with more detail about how it is done.

 

You feel some sympathy...... for the cop?
Wow

Rocket River.

 

What we know about Derek Chauvin and Tou Thao, two of the officers caught on tape in the death of George Floyd
Officers Derek Chauvin and Tou Thao were involved in the incident.
By Andy Mannix Star Tribune

MAY 26, 2020 — 4:18PM

The Minneapolis police officer shown on video kneeling on George Floyd's neck as Floyd pleaded for help, along with another officer who stood by and watched, have both been involved in use-of-force incidents over their careers.

Officer Derek Chauvin has been identified as the officer pinning down Floyd in the now-viral video, which shows Floyd saying he can't breathe repeatedly before losing consciousness. Floyd later died. Four officers on scene have been fired. They have not yet been officially identified by department officials. Chauvin, 44, is a 19-year department veteran. Department records and news accounts show that he has been involved in several police-involved shootings over his career. In 2008, Chauvin shot and wounded a man named Ira Latrelle Toles during a domestic assault call. According to a 2011 article from the Pioneer Press, Chauvin and other officers showed up to an apartment in south Minneapolis just before 2 a.m. Toles grabbed for an officer's gun and Chauvin shot him in the abdomen.

In 2006, Chauvin and five others responded to a stabbing. After a man named Wayne Reyes, 42, allegedly pulled a shotgun on the officers, one of the officers shot and killed Reyes, according to a report titled "Stolen Lives" from Communities United Against Police Brutality, a police watchdog nonprofit based in Minneapolis.

The other office identified in the video is Tou Thao. According to a deposition he gave in a 2017 lawsuit, Thao started with the department as a community service officer. He went through the academy in 2009. He was laid off for two years and returned to the department in 2012.

In 2017, a man named Lamar Ferguson sued Thao and another officer, Robert Thunder, for excessive use of force. According to the lawsuit, Ferguson and an eight-month-pregnant woman were walking home when Thao and Thunder stopped and searched them without cause. The officers handcuffed Ferguson, and Thao threw him to the ground and began punching him, while Thunder kicked him, according to the allegations.

The officers took Ferguson to the hospital for medical treatment. Afterward, they escorted Ferguson to jail wearing only his underwear and T-shirt, rejecting hospital staff's requests that he be allowed to fully dress, according to the complaint...


https://www.startribune.com/what-we...-tape-in-the-death-of-george-floyd/570777632/

 

Thanks.

 

What a piece of work. Why was he even allowed to work as an officer after that.

 

Stay safe! I hope there is peace.


She's like those in charge are acting swiftly and doing a good job.

 

he clearly said he can't breathe. by design or not, stepping on his neck made it extremely difficult to breathe for him.

making it extremely difficult to breathe nor cutting oxygen to te brain or putting a great amount of stress to the carotid arteries and spine isn't what the knee on head technique was designed for so the location / direction / angle / and force / weight of the pressure was wrong at the very least.