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Gamesmanship or Dirty Pool?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Sep 11, 2019.

  1. Rocket River

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    https://www.businessinsider.com/nor...cfeXSLqer0yk5eQLnB-fdV1zEw0_H09_JscF4Gc34OVms

    North Carolina Republicans waited until colleagues were absent during a 9/11 memorial service to pass a controversial budget without their votes


    Republicans in the North Carolina House of Representatives stunned their Democratic colleagues on Wednesday by holding a surprise vote and passing a controversial budget while many of its members were absent.

    The Republicans overrode Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper's veto of the state budget with a 55-9 vote, while colleagues were absent from the floor during a 9/11 memorial ceremony.

    To override the governor's veto, the Republicans needed to secure a three-fifths majority vote among those present. Local news outlets reported that Republicans in the state had been trying for months to override Cooper's veto and seized an opportunity on a morning typically set aside to honor the 2,977 people killed in the 9/11 attacks 18 years ago.

    It remains unclear where Democrats were during the vote and how many were attending commemoration ceremonies in districts around the state; The News & Observer reported that only one Democrat did so. Cooper also said he was at a memorial event but didn't know whether other members were present.


    Democrats also said they were tricked by Republicans into believing there would be no vote in their absence. House Minority Leader Darren Jackson said at a press conference that the House rules committee chairman told him the chamber would hold no recorded votes on the floor until 1 p.m.

    'You are making a mockery of this process'
    Cooper told reporters in a press conference Wednesday that Republicans' move was an "assault on our democracy."

    "There is no question about it," he said.

    He said voters should be "outraged that this Republican leadership would orchestrate such deception, such trickery in order to get their way."



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  2. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Dirty pool. Especially on 9/11.
    The lack of basic decency is the central problem with so much of our politics.
     
  3. Rocket River

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    WInning is more important than anything
    good sense. . . . honor. . . .
    winning is basically money too

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    Dirty pool. Don't care what your politics might be. Complete lack of shame with or without 9/11. 9/11 just adds to the dirtyness.
     
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    I would like for candidates running against those who for the budget to publicize that the candidates didn't care enough about America or have enough respect for the memory of 9/11 to attend the memorial.
     
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    It's just a sad state of affairs...that's all I can say.
     
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    There has been a culture of cheating ... winning at any cost. There is definitely a cost here - personal shame at being a cheater, spreading the cheating culture throughout politic to a new level, which also spread to the general public. Your honorable is dying term. It’s whatever goes. Next up - creating laws with specific loopholes that can be taken advantage of for political and personal gain. A culture of cheating without shame is one that will devour itself of any real meaning and joy.
     
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    Somewhere, at some time, Mitch McConnell is furiously masturbating while reading this story.
     
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  9. Rocket River

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    Nope. Both parties are not the same.
    This is exhibit A


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  10. NewRoxFan

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    People in NC will now watch to see if NC senate republicans support this or if they return the state to fundamental democratic and moral principles and push this back to the NC house. Though I doubt it... as republicans no longer seem to not support democratic principles nor the simple principle of right versus wrong.

    NC Republicans’ shameless theft of democracy
    https://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/article234966387.html
     
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    Not the first thing I wanna picture when reading the D&D but probably true.
     
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    LOL... talk about "whataboutism". It may simply be a strange non-partisan concept, but its possible something is simply wrong and without the need to deflect or defend. Just a thought...
     
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  14. JuanValdez

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    Dirty. Good luck to the Republican legislature convincing the governor to sign any of their bills now. I'm sure there will be reprisals.

    A little different in that walk-outs are defensive moves to maintain the status quo, while this move is an offensive move to pass legislation. Walkouts are a bit of a dirty trick, but I have more respect for tricks that hold the line than I do for ones to move the line.
     
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    Passive civil disobedience is different than active duplicity. One just delays and protests, the other circumvents the will of the People.

    It's not a subtle distinction, it's a glaring breach of American governance.
     
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  16. Rocket River

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    "Republicans don't want to govern . . . They want to RULE!" - Anonymous (someone I don't know)
    This sounds about right

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