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Connecting the Trump-Russia Dots

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, Mar 8, 2017.

  1. Cohete Rojo

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    Y'all appear unable to recollect the events as they happened.

    Democrats whined about Nunes and said he should recuse himself. He did not recuse himself.

    Allow me to refresh:

     
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    Not only did he remove himself from his duties, and a replacement was named. Please tell me how he would be replaced without stepping down. You can also see a quote from him where talks about carrying on his other duties.

    This is from the same link I provided earlier.

    So the article you posted talks basically argues semantics rather than practical application. So he stepped aside from his role in the Russia investigation and admits as much in the article that you linked to.
     
  3. Cohete Rojo

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    Here is Adam Schiff's response to the subpoenas:

     
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    Having Mike "I prayed away the gay and you can too" Pence as president is not my idea of an improvement.

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    Maybe my work firewall is blocking something, but I see nothing. Or was that the point you were trying to make?
     
  6. rocketsjudoka

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    I've noticed in the other thread regarding Russian bribery for uranium that a few posters are claiming that Trump and his campaign have been exonerated of collusion, that Mueller has cleared Trump and that there is no evidence of Russian hacking. None of that has happened and this article shows that Mueller's investigation is still going and that there is plenty of evidence for collusion, and Russian hacking.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...llude-with-the-russians/ar-AAtEyV7?li=BBnbcA1
     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    As been said repeatedly we already know from Trump's own campaign that they wanted to work with the Russians during the campaign from Donald Trump Jr's own words.
    It's sad the amount of denial when this is straight from the Trump's own son.
     
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    It's very strange. I've never seen such a case of someone denying something because it is an inconvenience to acknowledge that something exists.

    It bears repeating. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS ADMITTED THEY WANTED TO WORK WITH THE RUSSIANS TO INFLUENCE THE ELECTION.
     
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  10. Cohete Rojo

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    We know about this already. Question is: why does this become appropriate only when you hire a foreign spy to do this kind of work?
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    Hiring a foreign spy to influence the U.S. election isn't appropriate at all. That's especially true when they are from an adversary.
     
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    Is Mueller doing the nation a disservice by sitting on this indictable info and continuing to let Agent Orange run the country?
     
  13. FranchiseBlade

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    We don't know that Mueller is doing that. We only know that he is collecting evidence. He may very well be actively pursuing the case for prosecution that will not allow agent orange to run the nation. We'll have to wait and see.

    The thing about Mueller's team is that they are very good at not leaking what they are doing and what they have. So we have no idea.
     
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  14. JuanValdez

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    It is pretty similar to the implications of the uranium scandal for Clinton. There, the implication is that the FBI (for reasons unknown) sat on their hands regarding their information about Russian bribery in the nuclear industry while the Obama Admin approved sweetheart deals for Russian entities. Here, the same reasoning implies that the special prosecutor (for reasons unknown) is sitting on his hands regarding information about collusion with Russians in the presidential election while the Trump Admin tries to make sweetheart deals with Russia. In both cases, you might wonder why what information investigators had wasn't used to stop some adverse political outcome. In both cases, there's probably a good reason why (I'm the eternal optimist I suppose), or maybe some nefarious one.
     
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    Probably because the way that investigations work is you build a case and present evidence to implicate lower level participants in a crime that can then be flipped as witnesses to a larger overarching case. I know most people watch mob movies so we SHOULD all understand this much. Think Goodfellas. Ray Liotta's character would be a Paul Manafort type in this case most likely, and he's probably going around all paranoid, snorting coke watching helicopters fly above his car as well right now, and given his cast of characters he does business from Russia with often end up being found dead of "natural causes" that seem to take the lives of so many people around them, he'll be lucky to find his way in protective custody as well.

    The goal of this investigation seems to be more targeted as a Russian money laundering case. We know for a fact Manafort works with Russian Oligarchs that work with the Kremlin that worked to influence the election. That's the basis of what we know. Trump is in the mix of players involved of course, but we don't know where Mueller is going to flip up to, and when he'll be able to get lower level people to become witnesses to protect their own backside, and who it will lead up to.

    Why isn't just jumping ahead, and throwing people in jail that could later be corroborating witnesses, and just ending the investigation to implicate the President on obstruction of justice & perjury? .....

    Probably because we know there is an entire Russian criminal enterprise that operates in this country and he'd be doing a disservice to the country if he didn't treat the investigation as a whole and rush to start closing one door to find that there is an entire household of doors that lead to taking down the entire House.... figuratively that is (not the House of Representatives).
     
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    Either Trump does not think before he tweets or he is not very smart.
     
  18. mdrowe00

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    ...OR the answer could be both...
     
  19. rocketsjudoka

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    This isn't hiring a foreign spy to work for you as a campaign consultant to op research this is a foreign entity and a known rival of this country coming forward offering information that they may have received through any manner of methods that may or may not be illegal. This is the equivalent of a mafioso coming to give you a present and you be excited about it. You don't know how the mafioso got it but you should know that the mafioso isn't your friend.
     
  20. Cohete Rojo

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    Actually it was an Azerbaijani business man, iirc.

    We still don't know the identity of the dossier's financiers. Why are people defending the actions of unknown persons so adamantly?
     

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