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Colin Kaepernick protests anthem due to treatment of minorities

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    to the extent that Democrats proffer a defense of flag protests, yes, they shoot themselves in the foot. But not that they're exactly "putting this issue forward," but that Trump and the right are tactically forcing Democrats to take a stand on the issue, and that's what will backfire. "Nike has set a political trap for Democrats ahead of November’s midterm elections, and the party’s candidates are walking right into it." The idea is that Nike is playing into Republicans'/Trump's hands by making this an issue in an election year.
     
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    It might turnout Trump's base but the reason Trump won the election was not because of his base but rather moderates who were not motivated to go out to the polls.

    Moderates don't give a **** about this. Infacr they probably are turned off by Trump interjecting here and making it a big deal.

    Trump's base could have a 100% voter turnout and he could still lose the election depending on if moderates and people more apathetic to politics are more willing to go out and vote due to an unhinged 6th grader running the country.

    I think many apathetic people didn't go out and vote because they thought Trump winning was a preposterous idea. That idea is a tanginle reality now and many of those apathetic citizens understand that now.
     
  3. Os Trigonum

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    perhaps, but I think you underestimate the number of moderate- and right-center Dems who fear the far-left tendencies of the current Democratic party leadership. They might not be voting for Trump per se but increasingly will be forced to vote for Republican candidates if Dems can't put forward any realistic candidates.
     
  4. fchowd0311

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    I'm sorry that just isn't a realistic outlook. Moderate Dems are not so fearful of Medicare for all which is pretty much the largest point of contention between moderate Dems and leftists to go do a 180 and vote for a party that put in Donald Trump.

    There isn't some sort of nasty ideological divide that exists within the GOP between right wing extremists who support neo-nazi movements and moderate Republicans who don't and are afraid of the far right.

    In summary moderate Dems are not afraid of the far left like moderate Republicans are of the far right .
     
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    you're probably correct about this; on the other hand, in our own local congressional district (NY 23rd), the Dems have put up an absolutely lunatic candidate (Tracy Mitrano) against the Republican incumbent Tom Reed. Even my wife who is as far lefty as they come, will not vote for Mitrano. She probably won't vote for Reed, just out of principle, and probably just won't vote at all (for that race). I don't think she's alone in this dilemma; and I don't think this is a unique set of circumstances isolated to the NY 23rd district.
     
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    Don't know much about her. What are her extremist views?
     
  7. Os Trigonum

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    in Mitrano's case it's more a personal character issue that's the problem. But she holds a number of predictably far-ish left views, e.g. on fracking (against), government-funded heroin injection sites (she's for them), and she's talked about "immigration reform," which in Ithaca is pretty much code for the "abolish I.C.E." crowd. The national Republican party recognizes the issue though as discussed here:

    "In NY-23, where the numbers are much more favorable to Republicans than in New York’s other battleground districts, the NRCC sees a Democratic victory here to be a long shot, particularly after a crowded primary where, in his eye, a more moderate candidate was passed over for the nomination.

    “ 'With these crowded primaries, Democrats have elected candidates that are too liberal for their districts,' said Martin. 'Some have been unable to raise the resources they need to play – I will point to the 23rd District as an example of that – but invariably, across the board, they’ve picked liberal candidates over other, more moderate options available to them in the primaries. Because of the ‘resistance’ movement and the energy of the Bernie Sanders side of the party, they went ahead and choose candidates that don’t reflect their districts.'

    “ 'They have to pull over Republican voters,” he added. 'They can’t just rely on turning out the Democrats to flip these seats.' ”

    "An interesting development will be to see whether the general unpopularity of President Trump among voters – particularly in conservative districts – will play a factor, particularly in districts where the Republican incumbents – like Reed in NY-23 and Collins in NY-24 – have made strides to align themselves as close allies of the president.

    “ 'He’s still very popular in a lot of these upstate districts, where Democrats have to deal with Andrew Cuomo and Nancy Pelosi, whose approval ratings are in the low-30s on a good day,' Martin said. 'Donald Trump is still really popular in these districts, which is why you don’t see a lot of Democratic candidates focusing their messages on Trump as often as you see in California or Florida. The Republican incumbents here aren’t really focused on that D.C. buzz – they’re focused on hyperlocal issues, like tax cuts and the like. The way to counter this disfunction you see in D.C. is to focus on the local issues people care about, and that’s what the Republican incumbents up here are doing.' ”

    Anyway. It should be an interesting fall election season.
     
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    I guess people started replacing the shirts they cut up and shoes they burned...

     
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    ur merely parroting a false narrative, perpetuated by Traitor Trump.

    The protest has been against the rising # of police shooting of Black youths, shoot first, deal w the bad PR later

    u need to lift ur head out of the sand.

    Nike is, again, making a smart business move, proving that it knows its customers.

    Its fastest growing market, over the past 5 yr, has been overseas, in particular, the EU and China, who are not affected the protest.

    in the US market, Nike caters to the 26 and under demographics, who are overwhelmingly in support of Colin Kapaernick's protest.
    As reported by Times magazine, Nike's online sales increase 31% after the endorsement deal was announced.
    the Dotard's tweets, as well as those people videoing their burning of Nike sneakers, are playing into Nike's hand which,
    in the process, prolongs the news cycle, providing free advertising for the sports athletic wear maker

    in view of this, the dotard has shown to be Nike's useful idiot.

    Relative to Putin, the only difference is that Nike has not send the dotard any hookers or ask him to launder $

     
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    http://reason.com/volokh/2018/09/20/no-government-boycotts-of-nike-arent-con

     
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    just the facts,

    Nike has donated three times as much $$$ to Republicans as Dems this year

    There seems to be a bit of a disconnect between Nike’s branding and the sporting good giant’s political leanings.

    In all, Nike has given $424,000 to the GOP compared to $122,000 to Democrats. The findings follow a recent trend showing Nike has donated more to Republicans than Democrats in every election cycle since 2010 with the exception of 2016.




    FWIW

    Nike's stock price is at an all-time high; since the airing of the Kaepernick ad, during the Labor Day week-end, it has risen 5+%

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    Nike's will release its next quarterly earnings statement on Tue, 9-25-'18, After Market Closing.
    should they impress the analysts w the financial results and forecasts, the upward trend will
    likely accelerate more.
    https://sports.yahoo.com/nike-donat...ney-republicans-democrats-year-161529995.html
     
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    Dat corporate tax rate.
     
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    So.., Nike is playing the game right apparently.
     
  16. adoo

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    leveraging its useful idiot


    Nike's Market Value Surges By $6 Billion After Controversial Kaepernick Ad
    Contrary to Trump’s claim that Nike would get “killed” by its decision to sign an endorsement deal with former NFL player Colin Kaepernick, the sportswear giant appears to be thriving.

    As CBS News reported Friday, Nike’s market value has surged by nearly $6 billion since the company unveiled Kaepernick ― who sparked controversy as the instigator of protests by NFL players against racism and police brutality ― as the star of a provocative ad campaign.

    The company has sold out 61 percent more merchandise since releasing its Kaepernick ad, Reuters reported last week. Nike also discounted fewer products in the 10-day period after the ad compared to the 10-day period before its release.

    “[Nike’s] new ‘Just Do It’ ad campaign with Colin Kaepernick was a stroke of genius,” said Camilo Lyon, an analyst with financial services company Canaccord Genuity, according to Reuters. “This premeditated move was another subtle but significant sign of Nike’s strength and confidence in its position in the marketplace.”
     
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    Looks like Nike is winning to me .
     
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    two faced, pretending to care but really don't, chinese slave labor masters is definitely winning. :rolleyes:

    i dropped nike long ago and have never owned an apple product in my life because i have a conscience. if that's losing i'm okay with it.
     
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    Gee, I wonder who has a better finger on the pulse of people... Nike, or trump?
     

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