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America's New Concentration Camp System

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Jun 23, 2019.

  1. Buck Turgidson

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    I wish you would use more words to make your points. I'm interested in your views, but you have to elucidate them.

    And yes, "semantics". There's a difference between Labor Camps, Execution Camps, POW Camps, etc....I'm sorry, but calling what we are doing on the border "Concentration Camps" is pretty appropriate.
     
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    Did AOC visit the gas chambers?
     
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    Honestly, if someone is going to say what you’re saying i’m not interested in a discussion. It’s just really sad to me but you are entitled to any opinion you wish. As someone who has family killed in the holocaust i find it extremely offensive and belittling, that was my only point. You can choose to disagree if you think this situation is as bad as an attempt to eradicate an entire race of people.
     
  4. Buck Turgidson

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    I've literally seen the skulls that the Russians left when they went West, and the Nazi mass graves in the countryside to the East, and the walls where people were executed in the Polish and Czech cities. It's absolutely, mind-bogglingly horrific. Nothing I can ever say at this point will change anything.

    I think what we are doing on our Southern border is wrong. Very, very wrong from a humanitarian standpoint. That's all I'm saying.
     
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    Seeing it ain’t living it, so if it had no effect on you i can see why you’d say these things, and to me it’s extremely offensive and just a way for people to belittle the holocaust (not just you, like i said look at the thread title).
     
  6. Buck Turgidson

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    I never did that and don't ****ing say that I did.
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    Stalin had a long history of oppressing, killing and exhiling Jews. It is often ignored and overshadowed by the Nazi Holocaust. I don't think it is wrong to discuss that and bring it to light.
     
  8. Buck Turgidson

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    Yep, the Russians love their pogroms, going back to the 18th century.
     
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    Good thing she got there after they bulldozed over the pits of starved dead bodies.
     
  10. sirbaihu

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    Have you noticed that you are using the words "the holocaust" and "it," and not using "concentration camps" and "they"? Why? Because the words are not synonymous. (You should be capitalizing "Holocaust," by the way.)

    I toured Auschwitz. I saw an entire room full of human hair, a bolt of fabric one foot thick made of human hair, a room full of prosthetic limbs. The Holocaust was perhaps the most evil event in history. But that doesn't mean no other concentration camps ever existed or could exist. You might look here for some history: https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Concentration_camp

    I'm sorry, but I think you yourself are doing a disservice by using the term "the Holocaust" carelessly. Capitalize it. Tell people how it impacted you. Don't use it as a substitute for "concentration camps," because the Holocaust included concentration camps, but it was a lot more than that.
     
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    Part 2
    The Holocaust included:
    being forced to wear yellow stars and other symbols in public (pink triangles for gays, red triangles for communists and socialists. . . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badge)
    vandalism of shops, theft of property, eviction from homes
    the establishment of ghettos
    molestation in the streets
    murder and hanging in the streets
    participation of lots of everyday normal citizens

    Curiously, a webpage at Jewish Virtual Library entitled "Non-Jewish Victims of the Holocaust," claims that although five million non-Jews (civilians, presumably) were also killed, technically speaking, "the Holocaust" only applies to Jews.

    Many people who died in the Holocaust or were impacted by it never saw a concentration camp. And many people died in Nazi concentration camps who are not considered part of the Holocaust, because they were not Jewish. In sum, I strongly suggest that people who care about the Holocaust not reduce it to "concentration camps," because the Nazi concentration camps were both less than that and more than that.

    (On second thought, I am pretty frickin shocked that the term "the Holocaust" excludes many victims of the Nazi concentration camps.)
     
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    Its not appropriate

    You're missing the forest from the trees. You're technically right but Holocaust and concentration camps are synonymous in people's minds because when have you been taught about concentration camps in any other setting
     
  14. fchowd0311

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    Can you imagine the anti-semitic rage that has built up inside those Holocaust survivors who are not offended by AOC and agree with her?

    Wait.. what?
     
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  15. HTM

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    Your bad takes on this subject are truly remarkable.

    I watched, "The Accountant of Auschwitz" last night on Netflix, it chronicles the trial of Oscar Groening at 93 years old in 2015. Groening was a member of the SS who worked in the camp administration at Auschwitz.

    A number of survivors were still alive at the time and attended the trial. One of them, Eva Kor, drew some publicity for publicly forgiving Oscar Groening and embracing him. The other Auschwitz survivors who were apart of the documentary did not have those same sentiments. They could never forgive Groening.

    According to your ridiculous logic, the feelings of the other survivors were not valid because, you know, one of the survivors thought forgiveness was called for.

    There are millions of Jews in this world. Thousands of survivors still. They are not a monolith. They are different people with different opinions. If they don't find AOC's statements offensive, good for them.

    The problem is many do. Those are the people you and others need to be sensitive to.
     
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    Meanwhile...

     
  17. fchowd0311

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    I think you are naive to the fact that many of these survivors and other members of the Jewish community hold political opinions like many others. On both sides I'm sure many who are angry or are vocal in their support for her had opinions about AOC before she made the statement. Those who already didn't like her felt outraged and those who did like her supported her. I'm sure many held a genuine opinion of anger or support but many of the more vocal ones were probably not apolitical before with no opinion of AOC. For example, the two prominent members I've seen often who have created videos and have been cited in many articles that have been vocally angry were right leaning people before. One created a video with the Daily Wire, the other has been a vocal critic of Muslims on America and has been a part of right wing circles.
     
  18. HTM

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    That's a pretty awful take yet again.

    To try and characterize the criticism of AOC's statement by the Jewish community as "politically motivated right wing Jews" is wholly ignorant and wrong.

    We have been over this and you know that there is a long list of members of the Jewish community who have denounced these statements who are not anti-aoc or right wingers.
     
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  19. astrosrule

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    There’s no other way for me to take it unfortunately.
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    Of course there is but you would have to be sincere.
     

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