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2017 NFL Draft

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by gucci888, Jan 10, 2017.

  1. gucci888

    gucci888 Contributing Member

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    One of the more talented drafts on paper in recent years IMO. Texans must go OT. Duane is aging and don't think you can count on Newton. New OT and a healthy Nick Martin would be 2 big additions to the OL.

    1. Cleveland Browns - Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M
    Key needs:
    QB, pass rush, S, OLB, CB, OL

    The needs for the Browns are endless. Quarterback is the big one, but acquiring someone like Jimmy Garoppolo or A.J. McCarron via a trade are possibilities. Emmanuel Ogbah looks like a good end, but the Browns need a player to go with him. Both safety spots should be in play with new defensive coordinator Gregg Williams. Cornerback becomes an even greater need if Joe Haden is released this offseason. Offensive line in general for the Browns is iffy at center, right guard and right tackle.

    2. San Francisco 49ers - Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina
    Key needs:
    QB, pass rusher, CB, WR

    With the 49ers at the start of a rebuild, that begins with a quarterback. Should the 49ers pass on quarterbacks early, there will be some good pass rushing outside players high in the draft. Just behind those two positions is cornerback, where the 49ers just need a legit No. 1, and wide receiver where a big play threat is lacking.

    3. Chicago Bears - Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson
    Key needs:
    QB, WR, CB

    Is it time to move on from Jay Cutler? If so, neither Matt Barkley nor Brian Hoyer is a long-term replacement. If Alshon Jeffery is gone in free agency, the Bears could rely on the solid depth of the position this year to find his replacement. Kyle Fuller missed the entire season after undergoing knee surgery in August, and his dependability could lead Chicago to find a high-upside cornerback in the middle of the draft.

    4. Jacksonville Jaguars - Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama
    Key needs:
    OL, DE, S, RB

    You could argue that Jacksonville needs to get better at right tackle, right guard and left guard. At defensive end, Jared Odrick is likely a cap casualty. Safety becomes a bigger need if Johnathan Cyprien leaves in free agency. You could argue that a better offensive line will make the running backs on the roster better, but in a deep running back class, the Jaguars could find a good player.

    5. Tennessee Titans (via Los Angeles Rams) - Malik Hooker, S, Ohio State
    Key needs:
    CB, WR, S, MLB

    It’s clear that the Titans need a legit No. 1, shutdown cornerback but is the fifth pick too high to get that player? Take out “shutdown cornerback” in the previous sentence and the same can be said for wide receiver. The Titans could go after one of the elite playmaker safety early. A middle linebacker the Titans just need a dependable player who can get forward and stop the run and occasionally drop in coverage.

    6. New York Jets - DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame
    Key needs:
    RB, QB, CB

    The Jets have several bodies at quarterback, including last year’s second-round pick Christian Hackenberg, but there is no sure thing there. Considering the lack of production at quarterback, a running back could take over the offense for the Jets. Of course, that would be easier if there weren’t questions on the line at center, where Nick Mangold has an uncertain future, and right guard where Brian Winters is a free agent. Darrelle Revis got old in a hurry at cornerback, and there isn’t a lot of talent at the position for New York.

    7. San Diego Chargers - Jamal Adams, S, LSU
    Key needs:
    OT, S, WR

    On the offensive line, the Chargers haven’t had a great tackle in years. King Dunlap and Joe Barksdale are average players who could be upgraded. At safety, the team needs a playmaker that they’ve lacked since Eric Weddle left. Because Keenan Allen can’t stay healthy, the Chargers could target an outside receiver at some point in the draft.

    8. Carolina Panthers - Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU
    Key needs:
    LT, RB, DE, DT

    Mike Remmers is better off on the right side of the offensive line, and Michael Oher’s future with the team could be in question after his missed 13 games with a concussion. At running back, Jonathan Stewart averaged less than four yards per carry, and isn’t the type of player who can take over a game if Cam Newton is struggling. The play of Charles Johnson has dipped, and Kony Ealy has been inconsistent at defensive end. Defensive tackle might jump to the front of this list if Kawann Short can’t be brought back.

    9. Cincinnati Bengals - Mike Williams, WR, Clemson
    Key needs:
    WR, DE, MLB, LT

    A.J. Green is the highest paid wide receiver in the NFL, but do the Bengals really have a difference maker at the position beyond him? At defensive end, the Bengals need a good bookend for Carlos Dunlap, and Margus Hunt and Will Clarke have failed to break out. The Bengals could really use an inside linebacker next to Vontaze Burfict with Rey Maualuga potentially being an offseason cut. Cedric Ogbuehi has been a disappointment at left tackle thus far.

    10. Buffalo Bills - Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama
    Key needs:
    QB, WR, TE, CB

    Once the Tyrod Taylor era closes with his release in Buffalo, only Cardale Jones will be under contract at quarterback for the Bills next season. Wide receiver could get a look because when Sammy Watkins was sidelined this season for nine games, the passing offense really struggled. At tight end, Charles Clay has been uneven and another pass catcher at the position could help. Stephon Gilmore’s pending free agency leaves a hole at cornerback.

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    25. Houston Texans - Caleb Brantley, DT, Florida
    Key needs:
    MLB, DT, OT, QB

    Bernardick McKinney has become a good player for the Texans at middle linebacker, but Houston could look to replace Brian Cushing this year. An offensive tackle to play the right side or eventually replace Duane Brown on the left would make for smart choices. At defensive tackle, Vince Wilfork’s career is winding down, so finding a place to complete with D.J. Reader would be ideal. Considering the uneven play of Brock Osweiler, the Texans could go after a high-upside passer at some point this year.

    https://www.sbnation.com/platform/a...s-browns-49ers-dolphins-raiders?client=safari
     
  2. zeeshan2

    zeeshan2 Member

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    What if there's a QB on the board at the pick like Kizer, Mitch, Watson?
     
  3. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    How is a guy who has been a starter for 1 year ranked so high? We need a money ball GM in the NFL. It is probably the most good old boy type sport left. Baseball was at the forefront, Morey did that for the NBA. The NFL is like 20 years behind.
     
  4. gucci888

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    Then it'll likely be a pick for the next regime as you'd be kicking the tires on your $37M QB after 1 season. I know it'd be unlikely in the 1st but wouldn't mind seeing a RB on Day 2. Need a power RB that can be a legitimate weapon in the red zone/goal line. Maybe a homer pick but think D'Onta Foreman and Miller would make a formidable duo.
     
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    There's no doubt about it. The Texans absolutely must go OT no matter who is on the board in the first. If you can't keep the QB from getting rocked almost immediately then it doesn't matter who they are.
     
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  6. zeeshan2

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    Some rumors:

    https://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    Oh you can bet that some desperate team is going to reach on him in the first like so many have in the past. Hell, maybe the Browns take him #1 based solely on last night. It would be a real "Browns" thing to do.
     
  8. zeeshan2

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    It said playoff teams though; could be the Texans.
     
  9. Bobbythegreat

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    Well it said that the 2 playoff teams had 3rd round grades on him, I think someone will reach on him before that so if it's the Texans, we know they won't be drafting him.
     
  10. ghettocheeze

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    Here it goes: Dashawn Watson will be a draft bust.

    You can throw last night's epic game film at me, his Heisman-worthy career highlights as well, throw everything you got, and I will still call him a bust. Why?

    Accuracy, my dear Watson.

    That is the Holy Grail of quarterback metrics.

    The two places Watson's accuracy drops drastically: deep passes and throws under pressure. That's where he racked up 17 interceptions this season.

    Sure, we can spend an eternity discussing his leadership, his dual threat abilities, his whatever. In the end, an NFL quarterback is only as good as the throws he can make. Watson is not NFL material.
     
  11. JayZ750

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    I concur with the offensive line thoughts.

    If somehow Trubisky is available, then absolutely, but where the Texans are drafting they will be looking at the second tier of QBs in a draft where all tiers aren't great. And I'm all for drafting QBs, regularly. You just might look at the broader group of QBs then and if you like one and think he should have been off the board already in the 2/3/4 that makes more sense. I'd be intrigued by someone like Mahomes in the 3rd... even if you have to move up in the 3rd to get him.

    Otherwise, o-line, and middle/back of defense.
     
  12. gucci888

    gucci888 Contributing Member

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    A lot of people are high on Mahomes but I don't really see it. I'll also remain very weary of air-raid QBs until they can prove otherwise. Trubisky looks good but not much to go off of in terms of progress.
     
  13. JayZ750

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    Yeah, I'm wary as well, but I do think you can point to some things about him in particular that separate him from many of the air-raid type guys. He has prototypical size and his arm talent is great. He can make all the throws, as opposed to needing the air-raid attack to mask the fact that he can't. Whereas a guy like Graham Harrell simply lacked NFL arm strength. Then on top of the arm strength he has great accuracy and touch. And he's got athleticism but isn't a classic mobile QB type that you worry about being a pocket passer.

    I think he has Phillip Rivers or Matthew Stafford type upside.

    But to your point, huge downside there as well, and it would be pretty surprising to see him come in and win the starting job in camp.... BUT, looking at Brock and Savage, if the Texans really like him and he "falls" a bit, it's worth a shot imo.

    I'm not too enamored with any of the other guys likely available at their picks. Doesn't make sense to move up for Trubisky, Kizer. Watson might be available at one of their picks, but I'm just not sold on his ball placement/accuracy at the NFL level.... he could have some success, but it's a fine line between Vince Young and Russel Wilson. Kaaya, Kelly, Peterman, Dobbs, ... meh? Davis Webb has great size, but similarly comes from a gimmicky type offense and didn't have near the on the field performance stats.
     
  14. Rudyc281

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    I'm keeping a eye on the tight end from miam David njoku. Would love a power back like foreman or Conner but I'm not sure if Conner entered the draft. I rather we sign a offensive lineman who is a veteran then rely on a bunch of young guys to step up.
     
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    The Texans need to work on that O Line. They need to make the best O Line in the league. And that starts with this draft.
     
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    If for some crazy reason adoree Jackson is on the board we should take him and don't look back.
     
  17. gucci888

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    Think that's what we tried to do with Jeff Allen and Bergstrom. Allen hasn't played particularly well and Bergstrom likely would've been 3rd string OC had Martin stayed healthy.
     
  18. zeeshan2

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    Our o-line is awful but it's an awful o-line class

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-this-season/
     
  19. sammy

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    Mahomes would be great if he's available in the second round. The first rounder has to be a tackle.
     
  20. TheRealist137

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    Russell Wilson has the 32nd ranked o-line in the league which makes his stats this season way more impressive, ESPECIALLY considering he also has no run game.

    Also this is proof that our o-line is also not really an excuse for Brock being this terrible. There are 14 teams with worse o-lines than we do and many of them have better offenses and better performing QBs.
     
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