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The View from the Ground: George Floyd Protests

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, May 28, 2020.

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    She roasted Barr and rightly so.
     
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    Um... wow. I hate to speak ill of the deceased, but Floyd was severely under the influence of some serious drugs, was lying repeatedly, and acting very unpredictable. It's not a surprise that he was viewed by the police officers as a serious threat to their safety (and the community's safety). Releasing this footage much earlier could have prevented significant violence, destruction of property, murders, and inner city economic disruption. The media has been playing young, emotional people for fools.
     
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    ....and there you have it. The video that many of us suspected existed, but has finally been revealed.

    Floyd was not complying with the officers, belligerent, and disrespectful to the officers from the very start. When you resist the police for over ten minutes, nothing good will happen to you. It's also clear that Floyd was high as a kite, which was confirmed by the medical report on the drugs found in his system. It's also clear how physically strong Floyd appears, and how erratic his behavior was, which presented a clear threat to the policemen.

    This completely shatters the narrative that Floyd was compliant with the officers.

    Now, Chauvin shouldn't have had his knee in a position to constrict the airflow, but he was absolutely right to restrain Floyd.

    It's shocking this video wasn't released earlier so people could know what really happened.
     
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    The video also shows that Chauvin used the technique not as a control technique but to inflict punishment on Floyd and that he kept it on excessively to the point of killing Floyd.
     
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    All of this could have been prevented if Floyd didn’t resist.

    It’s really not that hard, people. Show respect to police and 99.99% of the time you won’t find yourself in this situation.

    It might also help to not be out driving around under the influence of drugs.
     
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    Floyd was a physically large, strong man who was incredibly high on drugs - 8 drugs in fact in his system - and was acting in an extremely erratic manner. If the police officer lets him up, then he is in severe danger. This approved neck hold is used all over the country, and almost never results in death. The narrative we were sold was completely false. I mean, how can that even be debated at this point?
     
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    The dude was pleading for his life the entire time while on the ground.

    The dude was gasping like a fish on the beach while a (I'm guessing) 200 pound man knelt on his neck.

    The dude had stopped struggling for, what was it?, three minutes?, with the cop still pushed a knee into his neck.

    Stay classy, T_J.
     
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    He was also cuffed. I agree Floyd wasn't cooperative but he was already in custody. Chauvin wasn't trying to assert control as Floyd was already controlled. This was purely to punish Floyd and excessively even to the point of continuing the technique on even after Kueng couldn't find a pulse.
     
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    How can anyone watch this video and conclude this was racially motivated?
     
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    ?? Nobody?

    Perhaps the 2nd biggest story of the year behind Covid, and no comments on this? Was this a complete racial hoax? SOOO many hurt, properties damaged, the country divided, and so much more pain resulted from this, and not all the information was out there!

    The cop was wrong to put the knee on the neck, but who can tell me that it was racially motivated?
     
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    it's more about cops should not be treating anyone this way, regardless of race.
     
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    And it falls into the "impossible to prove a negative" area: would Chauvin have treated a white person the same way or was he psychologically prone to treating Floyd with violence? This is where black people are telling us that their interactions with police start off from a violent place. There's really no way to prove or disprove it, right? Police officers will not say in surveys "Yes, I approach black suspects with more anger and suspicion" enough for it to be proven.

    Similarly, the men who murdered Ahmaud Arbery seemed predisposed to suspect him of criminal behavior because of his skin color and we cannot prove how they would've approached a white person doing the same thing because that didn't happen. Would they have gotten in the pickup and pursued him with weapons? Would the police in Louisville have broken down the door of a white woman while she was sleeping and killed her in the same way they did Breonna Taylor, regardless if she had a connection to the people they were looking for?

    The impossibility of proving these negatives when it comes to human interaction and psychological predispositions is one reason these threads do nothing but go in circles. A handful of posters reliably say any act of alleged racial violence cannot possibly be so and look for reasons to discredit that notion from the get-go. If a piece of evidence emerges that "muddies" things - video of Ahmaud Arbery walking around a construction site, George Floyd being intoxicated and resisting initial commands, Eric Garner physically resisting police attempting to apprehend him - that evidence becomes used as justification for every subsequent action that happened. The implication is "Well, what did you think would happen?" and African Americans are telling us that it should not be death at the hands of an officer.

    I'm lucky. The few interactions I've had with police have largely been neutral or positive. But when large numbers of our black fellow Americans are telling us that their interactions with police, from traffic stops to apprehensions, are usually combative and suspicious from the get-go, I cannot discredit that amount of anecdotal evidence. I'm not desperate to look away from it and pretend that police officers - a civil servant job that should not be worshiped, but instead held accountable according to the degree of public trust their role requires - are infallible.
     
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