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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. adoo

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    The narcissistic racist-in-chief would have his sheeps be fearful of the so-called Invasion of the brown-skin people,

    but not the spread of the Corona virus​
     
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  2. Amiga

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    You got to be kidding me





     
  3. Newlin

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    Why would a genius put Mike “smoking doesn’t kill” Pence in charge of the coronavirus task force?

    Is he really the best choice?
     
  4. AleksandarN

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    This man alone he is a presidential medal freedom award winner. A true national treasure.
     
  5. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    This may be a reasonable way to analyze it -- I do not know. But it was going to get here and get out in the population one way or another, with it's Ro number and the outbreaks in Europe and South Korea (and god knows where else where they can't even test for it).

    It just accelerated our exposure through government clumsiness and science-illiterate appointments. But I would completely reject any take that the administration is solely responsible for the virus getting out in the public.
     
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  6. AleksandarN

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    Or that's like putting DeVos Secretary of Education oh wait..
     
  7. ThatBoyNick

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    Lol at Trump being able to contain the virus, and lol at the thought of Trump getting any credit if the virus ends up being contained at some point.

    If something is saving us, it won't be the president, it will be the tens of thousands of scientists, medicals workers, etc that are working on this worldwide. If Trump and the white house do their job well, then nobody should be talking about them, which is the greatest compliment officials get when doing their job correctly, whether it be sports, or government.
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  9. Invisible Fan

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    Think of it this way...he's getting credit from enough voters for an economy that's similar to Obama's with the key difference of stock market prices (and shittons of government debt spending)

    So a "contained epidemic" means the stock market recovers and also bolters his "know nothing" supporters in distrusting establishment orgs like the media and scientific communities.

    lol at giving "true credit" to dedicated officials and middle managers under Trump's executive branch.
     
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  10. Amiga

    Amiga I get vaunted sacred revelations from social media
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    I was already on the it’s inevitable that it would spread days ago.

    i was and am still holding out hope that a slow spread plus summer (Flu season over freeing up much needed resources when this spread widely, plus perhaps the hot temp could slow it down further) would buy much needed time for more prep plus possibly a vaccine and/or new med.

    I expected incompetent to some level, but this? Then retaliation against the individual that spoke up together with new policy to not allow the cdc and nih to directly talk to the public without approval ....

    It’s not a good mix: incompetent, dont believe in science, don’t believe experts, believe in conspiracy theories, lack of transparency, punish dissenting voice and WB, just “wing it”, never admit mistakes and inability to learn ...
     
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  11. Astrodome

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    I think the outrage against trump is premature at this point.
     
  12. heypartner

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    What do you think about these dates wrt to how fast a person will present bad enough to be transported from one hospital to another.
    • Feb 16th -- First evacuees arrive at Travis AFB in Salona County
    • Feb 19th -- the 1st patient in question "was brought to UC Davis Medical Center from another Northern California hospital...arriving on a ventilator and special protection orders were issued 'because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition.' "

    https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/cal...ronavirus-in-northern-california-cdc/2242792/

    Is this coincidental to proximity to Travis AFB evacuees? Or is that typically how fast you can be exposed by the evacuees and need urget care? Or rather, maybe she just showed early sypmtoms enough for them to send her from first hospital to one that could handle it???

    Can't find any confirmation that this person can be traced to AFB... or contact with medical personal at AFB.
     
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    Lol, it's stuff like this that makes it clear you are a Trump supporter

    If HHS is truly at fault here - and how can you say that having HHS personnel of all people interact with infected individuals without protection isn't a major blunder - than when does a president take accountability? One that thinks a virus that may kill up to 2% of the US population isn't a big deal and will be a minor inconvenience and there by makes stupid decisions such as repatriating people?

    He clearly doesn't know what he is doing and while you can't stop the virus from coming here you can at least buy us time for us to get prepared. NOPE
     
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    He isn’t responsible for the virus reaching the USA. It is inevitable. He should be judged based on his response. Yes his statements were clumsy and somewhat ill informed but whatever. I agree at this point Trump doesn’t deserve scorn.
     
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  15. adoo

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    they're the same people who were executing the child separation policy. they're not health/disease professionals nor have they been trained in disease/virus control, which explains why

    they're stupid enough to greet the 14 evacuees, who were infected w the virus,
    at Travis AFB, without protective gears.
    btw,

    afterwards, these workers had dinner in restaurant and stay in commercial hotel in solano county, CA,
    then, they took commercial flights back to their offices/homes.​
     
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  16. adoo

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    CDC didn’t want 14 coronavirus patients flown to US—it was overruled by
    non-health officials in the State Dept


    Health officials at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention did not want 14 people who had tested
    positive for the new coronavirus to be flown back to the US, among hundreds of other uninfected people—
    but the CDC experts were overruled by officials at the US State Department



    https://arstechnica.com/science/202...-after-cdc-explicitly-recommended-against-it/
     
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  18. ThatBoyNick

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    This could have a major impact on voter turnout if this breaks out here, which seems inevitable.

    Also, if the death rate for people over 70 is around 10%... with the number of places and people Trump, Bernie, Biden, Bloomy and Warren all come in contact with... :eek::eek::eek:
     
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  19. Hakeemtheking

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    IMO, too early. There will be dead cat bounce here and there, but if this thing gets worse, there will be a global recession, unfortunately. The Great Recessiin in 2008 started in the fall of that year. Market did not bottomed until March of 2009, many months later.
     
  20. Os Trigonum

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    well, it's pretty clear by now that Trump's response is actually geared toward exacting revenge on Andrew Cuomo:

    https://nypost.com/2020/02/27/coronavirus-next-victim-the-new-york-state-budget/

    Coronavirus’ next victim: The New York state budget
    By E.J. McMahon

    February 27, 2020 | 8:09pm

    This week’s stock-market plunge amid mounting fears of a global economic slowdown triggered by the coronavirus couldn’t come at a more crucial time in New York state’s budget-making process.

    On Albany’s truncated budget calendar, this is the week Gov. Andrew Cuomo and lawmakers are supposed to reach “consensus” on a revenue estimate for the state fiscal year that starts April 1. By mid-March, Senate and Assembly Democrats will have drawn up and passed their respective one-house responses to Cuomo’s budget proposal.

    For lawmakers inclined to spend more than Cuomo has proposed, the turmoil on Wall Street should come as a timely and sobering reminder: New York’s tax base is both exceptionally wealthy — and exceptionally fragile.

    As a financial capital, New York is more vulnerable than any state to the ripple effects of economic shocks affecting financial markets. The personal-income tax makes up two-thirds of New York’s total state tax revenue, a larger share than in all but a few states. And 40 percent of the PIT is generated by the highest-earning 1 percent of taxpayers, whose taxable income tends to be more heavily correlated with investment gains and market trends.

    As the Assembly’s own fiscal staff pointed out in a report issued a decade ago, New York’s PIT base is “inherently unstable,” thanks to its “volatile” and “unsustainable” dependence on a small number of high-income taxpayers. Since then, with the enactment and repeated extension of New York’s extra-high “millionaire tax,” it’s only gotten worse.

    Whether many state legislators actually understand this, or care, is another question.

    For the past several months, Albany’s most ardent progressives have been pushing new soak-the-rich tax agendas cribbed from the presidential platforms of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

    As if one state in isolation, much less high-tax New York, could get away with imposing new taxes on accumulated wealth and stock transfers on top of still-higher income-tax rates — even though the tight new federal cap on state and local tax deductions already has pushed New York’s effective tax price to an all-time high.

    With his self-imposed (if squishy) commitment to spending restraint and warnings that wealthy taxpayers are flight risks, Cuomo stands as the main obstacle to such proposals in Albany.

    Just more than a year ago at this time, the governor was sounding the alarm over what he described as a “serious as a heart attack,” $2.3 billion drop in PIT receipts. That revenue dip turned out to be more of a temporary blip, driven mainly by timing changes in tax payments prompted by the new federal tax law. PIT receipts ended up exceeding the governor’s original estimates — and Cuomo’s January budget proposal envisioned further moderate growth in revenues through fiscal 2024. But a lot has changed in the past week.

    A public-health threat originating half a world away is confronting Cuomo with a serious revenue downside risk to go with a budget problem of his own making: a multibillion-dollar hole in the state’s massive Medicaid budget.

    On paper, the governor is closing part of the Medicaid gap by permanently rescheduling $1.7 billion in Medicaid payments from one fiscal year to the next — the kind of accounting gimmick that state law would flatly disallow if New York City tried it. He has made further Medicaid cuts and changes that he says will save nearly $900 million a year going forward.

    That still leaves a $2.5 billion recurring Medicaid imbalance, which he has assigned a “redesign team” to solve with recommendations due right around the time lawmakers pass their one-house budget resolutions in mid-March. Meanwhile, the education establishment is pushing for a much bigger increase in school aid than the governor has proposed.

    And it’s a legislative election year — the first test at the polls for the large new Senate Democratic majority seated last year, with a handful of senior members in both houses facing June primary challenges from the left.

    Before Thursday’s revenue conference at the Capitol, state Senate analysts projected that tax receipts will be $1.1 billion higher than Cuomo’s estimates for next year. Assembly Democratic staff think the number will be even higher, at $1.7 billion.

    Cuomo’s task now is to push the consensus on added revenue closer to zero — if not even lower.

    E.J. McMahon is research director at the Empire Center for Public Policy. Twitter: @EJMEJ
     

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